DEMSWG Meeting Minutes November 7, 20171

DEMSWG Meeting Minutes November 7, 20171

1.Welcome, Call to Order, Introductions

Devin Miroy, Data and Energy Management System Work Group (DEMSWG)Co-Chair, called the meeting to order at 9:02 a.m. A quorum was present for the conducting of business. A list of attendees is attached as Exhibit A. Mr. Miroy asked attendees to introduce themselves.

2.Antitrust Policy

Scott Erwin, Reliability Specialist, read aloud the WECC Antitrust Policy statement. A link to the posted Policy was provided in the meeting agenda.

3.Approve Agenda

Mr. Miroyintroduced the proposed meeting agenda. An additional item was added to the agenda to discuss DEMSWG’s role in WON Management.

On a motion by Stacen Tyskiewicz, the DEMSWG approved suspension of Robert’s Rules of Order.

The DEMSWG approved the agenda.

4.Review June 6, 2017 Minutes

Mr. Erwin introduced the minutes from the June 6, 2017 meeting. The DEMSWG discussed the minutes.

The DEMSWG approved the June 6, 2017 minutes.

5.Review of Previous Action Items

Mr. Miroy reviewed action items carried over from the June 6, 2017meeting of the DEMSWG. Action items that are not closed and will be carried forward are:

• Robert Melis (Stacy Hendrickson was researching) to see if more address space can be added to WECC Operations Network (WON)with possibly increased subnetting.
• Devin Miroy will review the DEWG documentation to remove WECCNET references. The documentation needs to be updated to reflect the new OC structure.
• CAISO and AT&T come up with options for a secure AT&T pricing.

6.New DEMSWG and CSWG Email and Member Distribution List Review

The DEMSWG discussed the email distribution lists for DEMSWG and the Cyber Security Work Group (CSWG). The former Data Exchange Work Group (DEWG) and Energy Management System Work Group (EMSWG) lists have been combined into the DEMSWG list. Any members of DEMSWG that would like to participate in CSWG can request to be part of that group.

7.OC Restructuring

The Operating Committee (OC) has been restructured. DEMSWG had no questions on the changes. Mr. Miroy would like volunteers to take over as chair.

8.NERC EMS Conference Update

Wei Qiu, North American Electric Reliability Corporation (NERC), provided an update on a NERC Energy Management System (EMS) conference. The conference included a panel from various regions, sharing insights. The conference also included updates on the May 4, 2017 outage and an EMS vendor panel. Planning for the 2018 conference is just beginning. Topics ideas can be sent to Mr. Qiu.

9.WON Usage for Dynamic Scheduling via ICCP and what data constitutes “Reliability Data”

Mr. Miroy and Jonathan Aust, DEMSWG Co-Chair, led a discussion on the WON usage and the sharing of reliability data with entities that are not reliability entities. The WON Security Guideline states that WON data is only to be shared between Reliability Coordinators (RC), Transmission Operators (TOP), Balancing Authorities (BA), and “other member utilities”. The DEMSWG discussed what type of entities can be classified as “other member utilities”. There needs to be more definition of “other member utilities”. CSWG will be responsible for the WON Security Guideline. The EID[NS1] needs to be added to the guideline.

The WON Security Guideline is posted to the WECC Website.

10.Discussion of DEMSWG Role in WON Management

The DEMSWG discussed the upcoming changes in the Western Interconnection for WON management. The DEMSWG has no way to enforce signing the WON without making a WECC Standard. The standards process takes time to be drafted and become enforceable. A task force may be needed to discuss the role of DEMSWG in the WON Management.

11.CIM task force Update

Brian Meadows, Salt River Project (SRP), presented an update on the Common Information Model (CIM) Task Force. The CIM Task Force reviewed their purpose and began discussing the RDFID[NS2]s used in the CIM. DEMSWG discussed the version of CIM being used, the CIM Task Force is requesting version information from their participants. A CIM guideline should be taken to Situational Awareness and Security Monitoring Subcommittee (SASMS) as well.

The presentation is posted to the WECC Website.

12.Securing the WON/ECN with CERTES Pricing Presentation

Clifton Jones, AT&T and Marilyn Mauro, Certes, provided an update on Inter-Control Center Communication Protocol (ICCP). The ICCP is necessary for data sharing in real-time. DEMSWG discussed the ICCP with AT&T and Certes. This effort is to assist entities that will be responsible for a new CIP standard, which will soon be enforceable.

James Hiebert and Thomas Williams, CAISO, presented an overview of securing the ICCP. Information in scope is defined by TOP- 003-3 and IRO-010-2. DEMSWG is working on securing ICCP which could quickly become outdated. Next steps could include updating old implementation systems and keeping the complexity of certificate management in mind for the future.

The presentation is posted to the WECC Website.

13.Continued TOP-010 discussion - Addressing Requirement 3

Mr. Aust presented the Post Application User Group (PAUG) methods for addressing TOP-010 Requirement 3.

14.Update on WON Connection Agreement Signatures

Mr. Erwin provided an update that there are 26 WON Connection Agreement Signatories, with recent addition of Los Angeles Department of Water and Power (LADWP). Mr. Erwin will send the signed documents to the DEMSWG members to review the signatory and how to proceed on getting additional information for those that have not signed.

15.Continued Discussion on FERC Order 822 – Possibly covered byCIP-012

CIP- 012 will cover the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC) Order 822.

16.Data Sharing Issues Between Companies

Companies have been asked to post their ICCP information on the TOP-003 site on Peak RC. Some organizations have not posted their information.

17.TOP-001 (version 4) discussion regarding diversely routed data exchange infrastructure within the Control Centers

DEMSWG discussed that TOP-001 version 4 will include requirements that primary control center servers should have redundant data paths and be tested every three months.

18.Q&A with a WECC Auditor

Joseph Baugh, Senior Cyber Security Compliance Auditor, presented an overview of the new CIP-012-1 and answered questions from members of DEMSWG. Mr. Baugh also addressed questions about CIP-002.

The presentation is posted to the WECC Website.

Stacia Carron, Cyber Security Associate Auditor, and Carl Bench, Cyber Security Auditor, discussed what the auditors look for on CIP-004, CIP-007 and CIP-010.

19.TOP-003 Template Mods Discussion due to IRO-010 Template Changes at Peak RC Force Update

Gareth Lim, Peak Reliability (Peak), and Stacen Tyskiewicz, Bonneville Power Administration (BPA), provided an update on the template changes for IRO-010 and the corresponding needed change to theTOP003 template. These changes are not urgent, but the intent is to have the forms match.

20.TOP-003 Form Discussion on Auditor Feedback

Tim Reynolds, Senior Engineer, discussed some feedback received from the auditors on the TOP-003 Form. The form is not a WECC mandated procedure and the form should include additional information about the uses of the form. The form management should be formally advertised.

21.Certification Reviews and What Are the Triggers

Mr. Reynolds discussed the review of EMS certification and the issues that trigger that review. There was an initial review of RCs, BAs and TOPs. When anew entity registers to be an RC, BA or TOP, changes their RC, BA or TOP footprint or has an organizational restructuring that may affect their RC, BA or TOP functions, a certification review will be performed. Bucket 1 means that the entities are not ready and another review will be needed. Bucket 2 has issues to resolve before the change occurs, bucket 3 includes things that could be corrected. The review depends on the extent of the changes being made.

22.EPAS Monthly Calls Review discussion

Mr. Reynolds reviewed the purposed of the Event and Performance Analysis Subcommittee (EPAS). DEMSWG members are invited to join the EPAS’ monthly call.

23.Review of New Action Items

• Add EID to the WON Security guideline.
• Assigned To: Thomas Williams and CSWG
• Due Date:
• Discuss a possible task force with SASMS.
• Assigned To: Jonathan Aust
• Due Date:
• Find the list of DEMSWG members that want to participate in the EPAS Event Analysis monthly calls and start inviting them to the meetings.
• Assigned To: Tim Reynolds
• Due Date:

24.Upcoming Meetings

February 6-8, 2018...... Salt Lake City, UT
June 2018...... Salt Lake City, UT
October 2018...... Salt Lake City, UT or Tucson, AZ

DEMSWG approved going into a closed session.

The DEMSWG discussed NERC Event Analysis Update and Discussion in the closed session.

25.Adjourn

Mr. Miroy adjourned the meeting without objection at 11:15 a.m.
Exhibit A: Attendance List

Name...... Affiliation

Members in Attendance

Steve Ashbaker...... Western Electricity Coordinating Council

Jonathan Aust...... Western Area Power Administration

Bradley Calbick...... Avista Corporation

Parviz Ebrahimzadeh...... San Diego Gas & Electric

Jim Hiebert...... California Independent System Operator

Steve Johnson...... PacifiCorp

Gareth Lim...... Peak Reliability

Brian Meadows...... Salt River Project

Jeff Mettler...... Public Utility District No. 2 of Grant County

Devin Miroy...... Western Area Power Administration

Jason A. RadetskiSr...... Tucson Electric Power

Glen Sidney...... PacifiCorp

Nancy Touchette...... Southern California Edison Company

Stacen Tyskiewicz...... Bonneville Power Administration - Transmission

Tracy Van Slyke...... El Paso Electric Company

Chris Yoon...... Puget Sound Energy, Inc.

Members not in Attendance

Bruce Barsness...... Public Utility District No. 1 of Chelan County

Gerald Beier...... Seattle City Light

Vanith Biddappa...... Sacramento Municipal Utility District

Steve Carlton...... Idaho Power Company

Lincoln Chin...... Pacific Gas and Electric Company

Nico Chondro...... Portland General Electric Company

Arnold Cook...... NorthWestern Energy

Hector Cortez...... Imperial Irrigation District

Brian Cummins...... California Independent System Operator

Adrian Dominguez...... Salt River Project

Alan Firth...... Alberta Electric System Operator

Gabriella Gaspar...... Imperial Irrigation District

Marco Guerrero...... Comisión Federal de Electricidad

Darrell Hahn...... Public Utility District No. 2 of Grant County

Greg Hansen...... Western Area Power Administration

Jim Hansen...... Seattle City Light

Maria Hartley...... Portland General Electric Company

Stacy Hendrickson...... California Independent System Operator

Karl Horn...... Pacific Gas and Electric Company

Petr Karasev...... Bonneville Power Administration

Vern Kissner...... Tacoma Power

Gary Kohler...... Southern California Edison Company

Michael Kohler...... Southern California Edison Company

Don Kovacs...... British Columbia Hydro & Power Authority

Tori Lewis...... Idaho Power Company

Peng Li...... PacifiCorp

Robb Lindner...... Alberta Electric System Operator

Robb Lindner...... Bonneville Power Administration

Xiaopeng Liu...... Alberta Electric System Operator

Tsang Mak...... California Independent System Operator

Hector Mendoza...... Imperial Irrigation District

Elias Mireles...... Imperial Irrigation District

Charlie Mogannam...... California Independent System Operator

Eric Mscichowski...... Sacramento Municipal Utility District

Murray Mueller...... Alberta Electric System Operator

Chuck Nichols...... British Columbia Hydro & Power Authority

Bruce Oliver...... Sacramento Municipal Utility District

Subhash Paluru...... Western Area Power Administration

David A. Parker...... Puget Sound Energy, Inc.

Ali Rassamdana...... Southern California Edison Company

Tim Reynolds...... Western Electricity Coordinating Council

Mark Riley...... Tri-State Generation & Transmission - Power Management Division

Karen Russell...... Salt River Project

Holly Sanders...... Salt River Project

Roxanne Scacco...... PNM Resources

Paul Schultz...... Los Angeles Department of Water and Power

Phillip Shafeei...... Colorado Springs Utilities

Kirk Stewart...... Peak Reliability

Randy Suhrbier...... Bonneville Power Administration

Gary Sun...... Southern California Edison Company

Enzhou Wang...... Seattle City Light

Mike Wenz...... Public Utility District No. 2 of Grant County

Dan Wilson...... San Diego Gas & Electric

Bill Winters...... Arizona Public Service Company

Landon Worsfold...... Alberta Electric System Operator

Tom Young...... San Diego Gas & Electric

Patricia Zavala...... El Paso Electric Company

Others in Attendance

Dave Arounsack...... Turlock Irrigation District

Keith Austin...... Southern California Edison Company

Joseph Baugh...... WECC

Carl Bench...... WECC

Don Bigelow...... AT&T

Dave Blackshear...... Gridforce Energy Management, LLC

Geoffrey Burke...... AT&T

Stacia Carron...... WECC

Brian Cast...... Los Angeles Department of Water and Power

Thomas Curtis...... Peak Reliability

Domenic Darling...... WECC

Holly Eddy...... WECC

Scott Erwin...... WECC

Sean Everson...... Certes Networks

John Graminsky...... WECC

TJ Hambly...... Certes Networks

Clifton Jones...... AT&T

Peter Kernazitskas...... WECC

Marilyn Mauro...... Certes Networks

Lance McDaniel...... PacifiCorp

Robert Melis...... California Independent System Operator

Valente Munoz...... El Paso Electric Company

Shelli Nyland...... WECC

Wei Qiu...... North American Electric Reliability Corporation

Billie Quantrell...... Klickitat County PUD

Ramu Ramanathan...... Maxisys, Inc.

Ser Rodz...... Salt River Project

Jennifer Salisbury...... WECC

Kevin Salsbury...... NV Energy

Mary Savage...... Tacoma Power

Katherine Shrock...... San Diego Gas & Electric

Rachel Smith...... WECC

Dwanique Spiller...... NV Energy

Garrett Story...... WECC

Gary Sun...... Southern California Edison Company

Mike Trenerry...... Global Linking Solutions

Thomas Williams...... California Independent System Operator

Western Electricity Coordinating Council

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[NS2]What does this mean? I can’t find it anywhere.