CHILDREN AND YOUNG PEOPLE’S HEALTH SUPPORT GROUP/
CHILD HEALTH COMMISSIONERS JOINT MEETING
FRIDAY 5 JUNE 2009 AT THE EDINBURGH TRAINING CENTRE
Present:Children and Young People’s Health Support Group (CYPHSG)
Malcolm Wright, Chief Executive, NHS Education for Scotland (NES) - Chair
Safaa Baxter, Association of Directors of Social Work
Mary Boyle, NHS Education for Scotland
Bronwen Cohen, Chief Executive, Children in Scotland
Fiona Dagge-Bell representing Jan Warner, Director of Patient Safety and Performance Assessment, NHS Quality Improvement Scotland (QIS)
Graham Bryce, Consultant Psychiatrist, NHS Glasgow
Zoë Dunhill, Child Health Consultant
Mo Grant, Allied Health Professionals Scotland
Morgan Jamieson, National Clinical Lead for Children and Young People’s Health in
Scotland
Ann Kerr, Team Head, Healthy Living, NHS Health Scotland
Cathy Kravczyk, representing Sharon Adamson, West of Scotland Regional Planning Group
Brenda Renz, British Psychological Society
Caroline Selkirk, Director of Innovation and Change, NHS Tayside
Michael Van Beinum, RoyalCollege of Psychiatrists
Scottish Government
Kay Barton, Health Improvement Strategy
Lucy Colquhoun, Child and Maternal Health Division
Derek Feeley, Director, Healthcare Policy and Strategy Directorate
John Froggatt, Deputy Director, Child and Maternal Health Division
Margo Fyfe, CAMHS Nurse Adviser, Mental Health Division, Primary and Community Care Directorate
Gillian Garvie, Branch Head, Child Health, Child and Maternal Health Division
Chris Ridley, Integrated Children’s Services, Health Directorate
Mary Sloan, Policy Officer, Child and Maternal Health Division
Child Health Commissioners Group
Sally Amor, NHS Highland
Cathy Cairns, NHS Fife
Kathy Collins, National Services Division
Alastair Philp, Information Statistics Division
John Thomas, representing Sally Lee, NHS Lothian
Joy Tomlinson, representing Grace Moore, NHS Ayrshire & Arran
In Attendance
Norrie Gilliland, People Matters - Facilitator
Apologies: Children and Young People’s Health Support Group (CYPHSG)
Jim Beattie, Scottish Officer, Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health
Michael Bisset, Consultant Paediatrician, RoyalAberdeenHospital for Sick Children Lorraine Currie, Chair, Child Health Commissioners’ Group
Linda de Caestecker, Faculty of Public Health
Deirdre Evans, Director, National Services Division
Gavin Fergie, Professional Officer for Scotland, Community Practitioners and Health
Visitors’ Association
Stewart Forsyth (Vice Chair), Medical Director, NHS Tayside Acute Services
Division
Claire Gibson, Community Care Providers
Graham Haddock, Consultant Paediatric Surgeon, RoyalHospital for Sick Children,
Yorkhill
Annie Ingram, North of Scotland Planning Group
Janice MacKenzie, Strategic Paediatric Educationalists and Nurses in Scotland (SPENS)
Pauline McCartan, Speech and Language Therapy
Ray Murphy, Association of Directors of Education in Scotland (ADES)
Eleanor Nisbet, Royal College of Nursing
Shirley Rogers, Scottish Ambulance Service
John Wilson, Chair, SEAT Children’s Regional Planning Group
George Youngson, Consultant Paediatric Surgeon, NHS Grampian
Child Health Commissioners
Jim Chalmers, Information Statistics Division
Emelin Collier, NHS Western Isles
Graham Foster, NHSForthValley
Elaine Grieve, NHS Orkney
Caroline Mackie, NHS Tayside
Ralph Roberts, NHS Borders
Sarah Taylor, NHS Shetland
Scottish Government
Lesley Fraser, Deputy Director for Safer Children, Stronger Families
Margaret McGuire, Acting Chief Nursing Officer
Nicola Robinson, Allied Health Professions
1.Norrie Gilliland, facilitator, opened the meeting by saying the purpose of the day was to look at the functions of the Children and Young People’s Health Support Group and how it links in with the Child Health Commissioners and other Groups.
2.Derek Feeley presented the attached slides emphasising:
- The present Government takes a strategic, outcomes-based approach, with better joined-up working
- Its focus is on sustainable, economic growth to create a more successful country which has implications for children too
- The Scottish Government has 5 national objectives and 15 national outcomes for accountability, many of which are directly relevant to children
- The Early Years Framework had been a ground-breaking document: it had been an outcome of the Local Authority concordat, with shared objective-setting
- The Scottish Government continued to focus on Getting It Right for Every Child (GIRFEC)
- The Best Possible Start of Better Health, Better Care(BHBC) outlined 25 actions
- The Patient Safety Alliance would be relevant to paediatric hospitals too
- The Cabinet Secretary would shortly be announcing a new focus for BHBC – improved quality, safety and patient-centred care. This will mean services for children and young people should continue to improve with the care they need, when they need it. Families would be involved
- The CYPHSG could help with enablement – equipping people and building capacity: with involvement/ownership – championing the rights and responsibilities for children and young people: and to ensure improvement happens
- There would be no new money – public spending had increased in recent years but that wouldn’t continue
- People shouldn’t work in isolation or in silos – they should work across boundaries and be smarter about sharing resources.
3.Malcolm Wright presented his slides highlighting:
- His agreement that resources would be tight and that it would be important for people not to work in silos but to work in a multi-agency way
- The quality of facilities, staffing and training had vastly improved in recent years
- The £32m for specialist children’s services had to be spent in a focused way
- Single outcome agreements (SOAs) would mean resources would have to be linked up – how could the CYPHSG support local partnerships?
- The CYPHSG should do progress checking on policies, eg the Emergency Care Framework, the Action Framework and the National Delivery Plan
- Workforce issues had to be taken into account
- The CYPHSG was in a privileged position to give advice to Ministers and the Scottish Government
- The CYPHSG had many achievements and there were clear outcomes – services had improved
- The Group should now move from policy development to implementation and improvement – how should the Group prioritise and how could it capture best practice?
- The Group should engage better with the NHS and should help local services improve in the tight economic climate
- Community Health Partnership (CHP) engagement was variable but was very important. Some partnerships were excellent – a review was underway. Single Outcome Agreements had helped CHPs influence priorities
- The remit of the Group was to support the NHS, be a catalyst for disseminating best practice, be a focus for communication.
4.The following comments were then made:
- The CHP review would look at health improvements and inequalities later in the year
- Guidance to CHPs on Equally Well was to be updated
- The Additional Support for Learning Act should be remembered alongside the Early Years Framework.
- The Early Years Framework and Better Health, Better Care should be linked
- The Early Years Framework could be the vehicle for delivering services
- The Hall 4 Implementation Network was looking at the Early Years Framework. A balance had to be struck between universal and targeted services. Hall 4 is looked on as the lead agency up to the age of 3.
- Local Government was now focused on outcomes and not inputs: outcomes should be considered first then thought given on how to get there
- The Group should give direction to help the collaboration of partners: should consider smarter ways of working
- Need to work across sectoral boundaries: the Group should support the NHS to do that, it had a direct link with the Chief Executives’ Group
- It would be important to think about improvement but how could improvement be measured?
- Good practice could be shared through ehealth.
5.The meeting then broke into Groups, the feedback from which can be found in the facilitator’s report (attached).
6.Derek Feeley summed up the outputs from the day as being:
- The Group should think about re-balancing its priorities
- Moving services into the community meant a shift of balance for the Group
- The Group should be more actively engaged in measuring policy issues.
7.Malcolm Wright concluded the meeting by saying:
- Themes for joint visits with QIS would be considered. These should be focused visits by multi-agency representatives from the Group
- The size of the Group had been mentioned:the suggestion had been for a larger core group with the large main group meeting, in workshop style, 3 times a year
- Members would be encouraged to be more active
- The lines of reporting/communication with other groups would be considered
- The Group should remain a catalyst for disseminating good practice.
8.It was pointed out that NHS Education for Scotland had used National Delivery Plan monies to open a children and young people’s portal which had the potential to be used by all services to disseminate good practice.
9.Malcolm Wright closed the meeting by thanking everyone and by acknowledging that a lot had come out of the discussions. The outputs would be discussed by the Core Group in the near future.