Sons of Japheth Part 1A: the Sons of HN (No. 46A1)

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No. 46A1

Sons of Japheth Part 1A: The Sons of HN

(Edition 2.0 20120327-20140211)

The Sons of HN are a large group of the Sons of Japheth and we will take this aspect on now from the Sons of Japheth Part 1.

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The Sons of Japheth Part 1A: The Sons of HN

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Following on from Part 1 we see that the Appendix deals with the Asiatic distribution and attempts to isolate the Sons of HN as a tribal Group.

DNA links in Europe and Asia

“Both Shem and Japheth possessed the same YDNA key at Haplogroup F. This Haplogroup was carried by all sons of Shem and Japheth, whereas the sons of Ham did not possess this link except the Yap Divide at M213. The link for Hg F is P14, M89, M213. All Haplogroups from G to R possess this lineage.

From what we see, the lineages of Shem and the tribes Shem from F produced the Haplogroups G, H, I and J. The great supergroup IJ was a combined Semitic group that formed the Hebrew peoples including all the Sons of Arphaxad as that combined supergroup. The links were found at the S2 and S22 links. The I Group intermingled with all the Western R1b and R1a.

Japheth produced Haplogroup K and all the groups coming from K are sons of the sons of Japheth.

The sons of Japheth can be identified from the YDNA chart, but the mutations are not as early as the break-up of the sons and thus some of the sons have descendants of differing Haplogroups. For example, the sons of Gomer possess both R1a and R1b combinations, as well as other Haplogroups. Some of the sons of Gomer as listed by the Bible have developed the same Haplogroups as other sons of Japheth.

A puzzle that is posed by modern science is that of the origin of the sons of HN, who split into the N and O Haplogroups. They came from Hg K and they were one line at M214, and from that ancestor or line they split into N (LLY22) and O (M175). These sons of HN produced a massive number of people.

HN was the ancestor of the Huns and the sons of Han, being the Han Chinese. The dissimilarity is only in a vowel between the two consonants, being Hun and Han. They both had the same ancestor HN at M214. What makes this most fascinating is that the Finns, another Magyar people, of N Hg as are the Huns, speak Uralic-Altaic languages. Hungarian is part of this group as is Turkic, Mongolian, Manchurian, Manchu-Tungus, Old Korean and Japanese. The Mongols and related peoples are Hamitic Group C and the Japanese are related to the Tibetans in Group D with some Group C, but fifty percent of the Japanese are also Hg O coming from the same group, as are the Tibetans. The Tibetans, who appear linked to the sons of Cush, also are predominantly Hamitic Hg D, and they are also related to Hg E through the super-group DE formed at the YAP Divide at M145 and M213, but they also have fifty percent Hg O. The Southern Han of South China are Hg O with some C and D. The Sumatrans have more than 50% O and less D (say 5-10%). The Malays have less, but some Hg C also. The Hgs. C and D are discussed in the paper Sons of Ham Part II: Cush (No. 45B).

The link with the Yap divide and the sons of Shem and Ham at Hg F is most amazing. Of all the sons of Ham the only ones to retain the link with the Hg F Semitic and Japhethite lineages are the YAP divide groups of Hgs. D and E. Thus the Japanese and Tibetans are directly linked with Japheth and Shem through M213 alone. However they are predominantly Japhethite through the intermingling with Japhethite Hg O also.

The Lapps/Sami are also Hg N, as are some Lithuanian Ashkenazim. Most Ashkenazim are Hg R1a. Ashkenaz is a tribe of Gomer. Riphath is the second son of Gomer and most of Riphath YDNA is R1b.

The only son of Gomer that could qualify as the Sons of HN is Togarmah, which occupies the uttermost parts of the North, which is what we see with the Lapps/Sami and Finns and the tribes in northern Russia/Siberia. The problem that is posed by this YDNA link is that China also has K, and the K, M and O Haplogroups extend into South-East Asia in the Malays at O with some C and D, and Borneo and Sumatra at O with some C and K. The Papuans are mostly Hg K, and the West Papuans or Irian Jayans are Hg M with a significant amount of Hamitic C. The Philippino and the North Polynesians also have significant Hg O. The Philippino have some 15% K, C and D mix, whilst the Maori are predominantly are C2, which is Cushite Hamitic. However the Maori language is related to the Malay language and at one stage they occupied an island in the Malay Archipelago before they left for the islands. That was well before the 14th century as they occupied what is now New Zealand by that time. Some 20% of Australian Aborigines and Torres Straight Islanders are also Hg K. They are thus not a homogenous group of one origin but are of three distinct tribal origins from Ham at C4 and two from Japheth at Hgs. K and RxR1basic. These are later mutations. They came in eight waves or linguistic groups to Australia (see also the paper The Genetic Origin of the Nations (No. 265)).

The Huns

The history of the Huns is given as follows.

The original Huns were Hg N from M214 along with the Hg O Asians.

The Haplogroup N people in both the Finns and the Hungarians refer to themselves as Magyars. This name and the YDNA links them as the same Tribal group linked back three millennia. They are however a mixed people as we will see.

YDNA is determined from the male lineage though the Y Chromosome and mtDNA is determined through the X Chromosome. The mtDNA carried as much influence as the Y in determining characteristics, and males who marry other mtDNA females pass on to their offspring both systems and racial characteristics of the systems. Thus a Western White or Black Hun by tribe or Finn or Saami will appear different because of the European females with which they bred. Their males will still be YDNA Hg N unless they are from captives or allies. The Blue Huns that were swept away by the Mongols prior to 1215 will appear as Hg N in the males but their females will have interbred with the Mongols and the Chinese and they will appear Asiatic.

All the Uralic Altaic Language groups will be linguistically similar in origin but they will be combined of a number of YDNA systems. The group includes the Magyars and Saami in the west and Turkic in the Middle East (R1b and other Hgs), Altai, Tartars, Buryats, Neneks, Mongols (Hg. C3), Manchu/Tungus, some Siberian Eskimos, and Old Korean and Japanese (Hg O and D). They came from the same area in Central Asia around the Urals and surrounding tribes (e.g. Altai). They are however, not all the same people in YDNA and they have a number of mtDNA groups.

The known Magogite tribes are proving to be all R1b so far; however, some Hungarians claim Magogite descent and that may be true in some cases, but it is not so for the Huns. Hg. N Huns and Finns are not Magogites from all known testing to date.

The lists in the tests done to date of Hungarians are indeed interesting. Budapest in the Nineteenth century was termed Judapest by the East Europeans and it was a massive concentration of Jews. The E1, J and I in the tests found there are North African Jewish and Semites. The YDNA test allocations of tribal areas are based at the native populations as they were at ca 1500. The Khazars also came in after the Mongols swept them away in 1215. The Bulgars followed the Huns also into what is now Bulgaria. The Magyar among them and the Finns were based on N. McDonald’s maps and tests are a reference tool. The Genetic Origin of the Nations (No. 265) deals with them also.

The E1 groups in Hungary were North African Jews based from Tunisia from Phoenician contacts. Hg. E comprises over 25% of all European Jews. Hitler was an E1b Jew in his YDNA (E1b1b1) also from neighbouring Austria. The test listed as Magyar from FTDNA appears to be a test of an Hungarian Jewish population sample.

Magogite Hungarians’ claims differ from the account given by Koestler in "The Thirteenth Tribe" where he gives a detailed account of the split of the White, Black and Blue Huns and gives the names of the priests who went east in 1213 to bring the Blue Huns west to Hungary but when they got there the Blue Huns had been swept away by the Mongols who then swept into Europe in 1215 pushing the Khazars before them. The identification of Magyar YDNA is important. There may well be a distinction between Magyar and other Huns?

We know for a fact that the Huns came into Britain in the tenth century BCE and they were defeated by the Trojan British and Magogite vassals at the Humber River which was named after their king Humber. They had defeated the Germanic tribes in northern Europe and took one of the princesses as a hostage, so it was recorded. After the defeat in Britain it appears that they retreated via Scandinavia to avoid the Germans in their weakened state and on that retreat they left the Finns as a group there in Scandinavia who displaced the Laps or perhaps even took them with them.

This is recorded by Geoffrey of Monmouth and a number of other ancient British historians and also the Magogite origins are discussed in MacGeoghegan's "History of Ireland" MacGeoghegan-Mitchell, Sadlier NY 1868.

They do not appear to be lost as the Finns to this day refer to themselves as Magyar and their language is Uralic Altaic in origin and is allied to but not the same as Hungarian. They have more in common with Japanese than they do with West European languages.

The Huns went back into Asia in what is Northeast Russia and, according to Koestler, formed into three groups: the Blue, White and Black Huns. They remained in Asia in the vast area of the steppes until they came into Europe and occupied what is now Hungary in the ninth century. They were converted from paganism. The Monk Julianus went to look for them in the end of the twelfth century, according to Koestler. So the three hundred years referred to by the Hungarians in this account was over the period from the 900s to the 1200s. He found them and went back. After he had returned a party was sent to invite them to return at the beginning of the thirteenth century. When that message arrived they had been swept away by the Mongols prior to 1215. Their story is told by Arthur Koestler in the work The Thirteenth Tribe. They are the probable origin of the Hg N people in the Far East also.

The terms by Koestler regarding the "Arrows" of the Hun tribes were not refuted or developed and his terms re the White, Black, and Blue Huns were not refuted in any serious way. The Ashkenazi simply killed him because he exposed the Khazar conversion of 740 and the origins of the Ashkenazi.

So we are not aware of the Magogite connection of these early Huns.

It is also important to note that there were Magogites in the East in what is now the Urumqi area of the Uighur autonomous region. These were red haired, blue eyed Celts that are without doubt related to the Scots’ Magogites and wore similar tartans. They were in what is now western China ca 1700 BCE. The males were 6ft 6" and the females were over 6ft. The Magogites we know are of this type and are the basis of the Scythian Celts.

Howorth notes that the Huns are mentioned in Europe by Ptolemy 175-182 BCE. Ptolemy mentions them the Chunni as between the Bastarnae and Roxolani and places them on the Dneiper (Hist. History Vol. 7 pp. 45-46). They are positively identified by Dionysius Periegetes ca 200. He identifies them as borderers of the Caspian Sea in this order the Scyths, Huns, Caspiani, Albani, but these are vague references.

The first authentic history of them in Europe comes from ca 372 CE. Their then leader was Balamir or according to some MSS Balamber. They began a Westward movement on the Steppes from their home to the north of the Caspian. They subjugated a number of obscure nations such as the Alpizuri, Alcidzuir, Himari, Tincarsi, and Boisci. We assume they took their women and men as slaves. They then moved to the area of the powerful Alani or Alans between the Volga and the Don. After prolonged struggle they defeated the Alans and enlisted them in their service in the move westward. In the end the Alans and the Suevi entered Europe and settled in Spain and Portugal.

After a short interval in 374 the Huns entered the empire of the Ostrogoths (Greuthungi) ruled over by the aged Ermaneric (Hermanric) who died while the critical attack was impending (perhaps by his own hand). His son Hunimund took over and made a humiliating peace, and subsequent revolts under Withemir (Winithar) resulted in further defeat and finally in the death of the king. Witheric his son accepted the condition of vassalage to the Huns and Alans.

Balamir now directed the horde west against the Visigoths or Tervingi who acknowledge the authority of Athanaric. Athanaric entrenched himself on the Greutung-rampart and the Dneister which was the frontier with the Ostrogoths but the Huns were upon him by fording the river at night and fell upon him by surprise forcing the withdrawal to the area between the Pruth and the Danube, and he set about heightening the old Roman wall erected by Trajan in North-eastern Dacia. Before the fortifications were complete the Huns were upon him again and forced his retreat to the Danube.