November 2005doc.: IEEE 802.11-05/1056r0

IEEE P802.11
Wireless LANs

CBP-SG Telecon Minutes 2 November, 2005
Date: 2005-11-02
Author(s):
Name / Company / Address / Phone / email
Changwen Liu / Intel / 2111 NE 25th Ave, Hillsboro, OR97124 / 503-264-9262 /

Access information for the teleconference:

Time: 13:00 (Eastern Standard time)

Duration: 1 hour

Phone # 1-866-902-7861 (toll-free outside 408 area code)

International: +1-408-902-7861

Meeting ID: 87654321

November 2, 2005 13:00 ET

Discussion leader: Peter Ecclesine: +1 408-527-0815

Notes Scribe: Changwen Liu volunteered to record this meeting

Opening of the meeting:

The chair, Peter Ecclesine, formally called the meeting to order at 13:05 (Eastern StandardTime).

People joining during the teleconference are included in the attendance list below.

Date: November 2, 2005

1) Roll call

The following names were recorded as present for at least part of the call:

Scott Blue

Peter Ecclesine

Jan Kruys

Joseph S. Levy

Changwen Liu

Mike Lynch

Steve Shellhammer

2) Approval of agenda

Proposed Agenda:

1) Roll call
2) Approval of agenda
3) "Are you aware of, and understand the IEEE patent policy",
if not "Refer the correct section or IEEE Patcom URL"

4) Summary of progress during the 19 October teleconference and Approval of the minutes (05/1041)
5) Discussion of candidate Requirements and Objectives (05/1039)
6) Any other discussion– next meeting
7) Adjourn at or before 14:00

The proposed agenda was read by Peter Ecclesine and it was approved without objection.

3) Read out of the IEEE Patent policy

The required statements about the IEEE patent policy were read by the chair Peter Ecclesine. There were no questions or statements from those present.

4) Summary of the October 19 teleconference and Approval of minutes, 802.11-05/1041r0

Peter summarized the October 19th teleconference discussions. Minutes were approved without objection.

5) Discussion of candidate Requirements and Objectives

Peter –Discussed its purpose and the process to follow.The process in TGv is a good model to follow:First define high-level objectives and then promote objectives into requirements later upon discussion.

Peter then led the walkthough of the candidate requirements and objectives document (05/1039-02) step by step.

The section of “Possible Requirements” are derived from US laws.

Discussion on the section of “Possible Objectives from the CBP draft PAR 11-05/565r3”

Jan– Some of them are means not objectives (e.g. DFS).

Changwen – Usage scenarios/models will help to clarify objectives/requirements and derive new objectives/requirements.

Peter – Probably need solidify materials in this part into three categories: objectives, requirements, and means. We can do later bindings for some of objectives, e.g at submission stage.

Discussions on the section of “Other possible objectives from TGv Objectives 11-05/827r3”.

Peter – Focus on two things: they are right ones,and classify them into one of the three categories (objectives, means, and requirements).

Jan —Largely means in this section.

After the detailed discussion on this section, following changes wil be made

  1. The following struckout items in the list will be striked out as objectives
  • Backward compatibility
  • ESS and IBSS mode
  • Advertisement
  • Compliance
  • Access Control Mechanism
  • Management Message Timeliness
  • Dynamic Channel Selection
  • Power Saving (can be listed as a consideration )
  • AP Load Balancing
  • Spectrum Etiquette
  • Access Point Coordination
  • Virtual Access Point
  • Contention
  • Advanced Antennas
  1. Questions marks on the following items
  • Location
  • Enterprise, Home, and Hot spots
  • Diagnostics and Troubleshooting
  1. Items preserved as objectives
  • TGv Client Management Protocol
  1. **Added one new objective
  • Share the band with other radios, non-802.11 radios, coherent and non-coherent, and government users,

Discussion on the section of Possible Range Objectives

Peter – Got these numbes for P2P and P2MP based on discussion with WISPs. For example, a Canadian company thought 20 miles p2p range is good enough.

Scott – Chicken and egg problem. No real deployment and really don’t know these numbers.

Peter – Put them in square brackets and determine them later,

Changwen – Usage scenarios will help determine these numbers.

6) Next meeting

Meet at IEEE 802 November plenary on Wed. and Thur 8-10am. Work on written comments from other groups on PAR and criteria. Start requesting submissions like other groups going through. On Thur, review any changes on FCC side and gauge temperature of the .11 group. Will startregular telecon meetings 30 days after ExCom approval on Fri.

7) Adjourn

The chair adjourned the meeting at 13:55 Eastern Standard Time.

References:

(A1) To access IEEE 802.11 SG documents on the web:

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(A2) CPB-SG document list:

The following documents have been filed by the study group:

11-05-0223-00-0wng-3650-3700-mhz-fcc-action.ppt

11-05-0328-00-0000-coordination-contention-interference-resolution.doc

11-05-0328-01-0000-coordination-contention-interference-resolution.doc

11-05-0331-00-0000-cbp-sg-telecon-minutes-6-april.doc

11-05-0336-00-0000-cbp-sg-telecon-minutes-13-april.doc

11-05-0340-00-0000-cbp-sg-contention-based-protocol-and-802-16-qos.ppt

11-05-0344-01-0000-cbp-sg-telecon-minutes-20-april.doc

11-05-0349-01-0000-cbp-sg-telecon-minutes-27-april.doc

11-05-0351-04-0000-CBP-SG-Five-Criteria-Draft.doc

11-05-0480-00-0000-CBP-SG-Cairns-closing-report.ppt

11-05-0484-00-0000-CBP-SG-Cairns-May-minutes.doc

11-05-0556-00-0000-cbp-sg-telecon-minutes-4-may.doc

11-05-0527-00-0000-cbp-sg-telecon-minutes-25-may.doc

11-05-0533-01-0000-cbp-sg-par-and-five-criteria-draft.doc

11-05-0565-03-0000-cbp-sg-draft-par.doc

11-05-0604-00-0000-cbp-sg-telecon-minutes-15-june.doc

11-05-0616-00-0000-cbp-sg-telecon-minutes-22-june.doc

11-05-0671-00-0000 cbp-sg-telecon-minutes-13-july.doc

11-05-0751-02-0000-cbp-sg-sf-closing-report.ppt

11-05-0795-01-0000-cbp-sg-sf-july-minutes.doc

11-05-0847-01-0000-cbp-sg-telecon-minutes-24-august.doc

11-05-0919-01-0000-cbp-sg-gg-closing-report.ppt

11-05-0936-00-0000-cbp-sg-gg-september-minutes.doc

11-05-1039-02-0000-cbp-sg-candidate-requirements-and-objectives.doc

11-05-1041-00-0000-cbp-sg-telecon-minutes-19-october.doc

For reference, the following is an alphabetical list of people who have expressed interest in the CBP-SG:

Malik Audeh

Dennis Baker

Farooq Bari

Scott Blue

Edwin Brownrigg

Carlos Carderio

Clint Chaplin

Narasimha Chari

Remi Chayer

Gerard Chouinard

Charles Cook

Roger Durand

Peter Ecclesine

Mariana Goldhamer

Nada Golmie

Ahren Hartman

Amer Hassan

James P. Hauser

John Humbert

Yasuhiko Inoue

Lusheng Ji

Stuart Kerry

Byoung-Jo "J" Kim

Changhoi Koo

Bruce Kraemer

Andrew Kreig

Jan Kruys

Joseph S. Levy

Changwen-Liu

Dan Lubar

Mike Lynch

Tim Ma

Roger Marks

Mike Moreton

Andrew Myles

Masoud Olfat

Barry O’Mahony

Richard H. Paine

Kourosh Parsa

Victoria Poncini

Jim Raab

Richard Roy

Marian Rudolf

Andy Sago

Stephen J. Shellhammer

Ian Sherlock

Ramachandran Shyamal

David Steer

Adrian P. Stephens

Carl R. Stevenson

Karl Stringer?

Jeff Tao

Paul Thompson

Jim Tomcik

Wen Tong

Jerry Upton

Fabian Varas

Lisa Ward

Lily L. Yang

Eldad Zeira

Minutes of 2 November CBP-SG teleconpage 1Changwen Liu, Intel