Descendants of Charles & Anne Payne
by
Rhonda Brownlow and Monica Jones
CHARLES2 PAYNE (JAMES1) was born 26 Dec 1819 in Orpington, Kent, England, and died 25 Aug 1894 in Kendall Street, Cowra NSW. He married ANNE ELIZABETH FITZGERALD 06 May 1839 in St James Church, Sydney rg 97/23. She was born Abt. 1813 in Limerick, Ireland, and died 26 Jan 1854 at Towrang NSW.
CHARLES PAYNE:
Charles had been working at Cowra Newspaper for Charles Boxell, before he died from the effects of Influenza. Burial: 26 Aug 1894, Cowra Anglican Cemetery
Children of CHARLES PAYNE and ANNE FITZGERALD are:
2. i. CHARLES JAMES PAYNE, b. 04 Jan 1841, At William Edge's, Newtown Rd, Darlington. Baptised 20 June 1841 at St. Lawrence Sydney; he died. 22 Jun 1919, 25 Junction Street, Forest Lodge, Glebe NSW.
3. ii. ELIZABETH 'LOUISA' PAYNE, b. 05 Aug 1843, Parramatta Rd, Parish of Petersham NSW; Baptised 3 Nov 1843 she d. 24 Apr 1923, Cowra NSW.
iii. EMILY PAYNE, b. 20 Jun 1846, Brisbane Grove, Goulburn NSW; d. 21 Apr 1849, Goulburn NSW.
4. iv. MARY ANN MARIA PAYNE, b. 19 Dec 1848, Goulburn NSW; Baptised 11 Feb 1849 d. 19 Oct 1923, Laggan NSW.
5. v. MATILDA SOPHIA PAYNE, b. 23 Sep 1850, Goulburn NSW Baptism 27 Oct 1850; d. 26 Oct 1921, Narrandera.
vi. EMMA PAYNE, b. 1857, Carcoar Rg 5987; d. 1857, Carcoar Rg 2567.
Generation No. 2
2. CHARLES JAMES3 PAYNE (CHARLES2, JAMES1) was born 04 Jan 1841 in At W. Edge's, Newtown Rd, baptised St. Lawrence Sydney, and died 22 Jun 1919 in 25 Junction Street, Forest Lodge, Glebe NSW. He married SUSANNAH MARIA COOPER 02 Jul 1864 in Residence of Mrs. Stanning, Tuena, Rg Carcoar 1844, daughter of JOHN COOPER and MARY GRIFFITH. She was born 08 Jan 1851 in Goulburn, NSW, and died 29 Jun 1919 in Wentworth Street, Blackheath, NSW.
SMH
24 June 1919
PAYNE- The Friends of Mrs. MARIA PAYNE, Mr. and Mrs. & Mrs. PAYNE, Mr. & Mrs. SCOBLE, Mr. & Mrs. MURPHY, Nurse HOLLIS, Mr. & Mrs. COATES, Mrs. ETTIE REMINGTON, Mr. & Mrs. WILSON, MRS. GRACE COTTER, and Mr. & Mrs. HUNTER are kindly invited to attend the FUNERAL of her beloved HUSBAND and their FATHER, Charles James; to move from his son’s residence, 25 Junction Street, Forest Lodge, THIS (Tuesday) MORNING, ,at 9 o’clock for the Church of England Cemetery, Rookwood. Via Newtown Station
CHARLES JAMES PAYNE:
Burial: 24 Jun 1919, Rookwood Anglican Cemetery
Cause of Death: Cardiac Failure, Cardiac Asthma
Occupation: Gold Miner
SUSANNAH MARIA COOPER:
Burial: 01 Jun 1919, Blackheath Anglican Cemetery
Cause of Death: Hypostatic Pneumonia, Congestion
Children of CHARLES PAYNE and SUSANNAH COOPER are:
6. i. ELIZABETH LOUISA4 PAYNE, b. 15 Mar 1866, Tuena NSW; d. 1942, Lismore NSW.
7. ii. SARAH 'ALICE' PAYNE, b. 1868, Tuena, NSW; d. 04 Jun 1942, Lumea Private Hospital, Piper St, Leichhardt.
8. iii. LAURA PAYNE, b. 1871, Tuena, NSW; d. 04 Apr 1911, Cobar, NSW.
9. iv. CHARLES HENRY PAYNE, b. 02 Jun 1873, Tuena NSW; d. 29 Mar 1921, Leadville, Wyaldra Shire rg 05638.
10. v. CAROLINE JANE PAYNE, b. 1876, Tuena NSW; d. 15 Oct 1952, Dover Heights, NSW.
11. vi. MARY ADELAIDE PAYNE, b. 1878, Tuena NSW; d. 12 Nov 1945, Home of Peace, Marrickville NSW.
12. vii. HENRIETTA 'ETTIE' PAYNE, b. 1881, Tuena NSW; d. 11 May 1967, Leichhardt NSW rg 21225.
13. viii. 'ETHEL' MATILDA PAYNE, b. 1884, Tuena NSW; d. 07 May 1965, Castle Hill rg 18854.
14. ix. GRACE MAUD ROHAN PAYNE, b. 1887; d. 17 Jun 1970, Ryde NSW.
x. FRANCIS JOHN AMOS PAYNE, b. Aug 1891, Tuena; d. 27 Sep 1891, Tuena, NSW (5 Weeks).
FRANCIS JOHN AMOS PAYNE:
27th September 1891 Tuena
Payne, Francis Amos John, Infant age 5 Weeks
Cause: Bronchitis 4 days
Parents: Charles James PAYNE, Miner & Susannah Maria Cooper
Witness: C. Payne, Father, Tuena
T. Frederick Bell Tuena 30 September 1891
Burial 28 September 1891 Tuena
Witness J A Hollis Mrs. Collins
15. xi. MIRIAM EDITH PAYNE, b. 01 Jan 1895, Tuena NSW; d. 26 Feb 1973, Ashbury, NSW.
xii. HORACE REUBEN PAYNE, b. Aug 1898 Tuena; d. 17 Feb 1900, Seymour Street. Bathurst (1Year 4 Months from gastroenteritis).
Burial: 19 Feb 1900, Moorilda Cemetery, NSW
3. ELIZABETH 'LOUISA'3 PAYNE (CHARLES2, JAMES1) was born 05 Aug 1843 in Parramatta Rd, Parish of Petersham NSW, and died 24 Apr 1923 in Cowra NSW. She married ALFRED CRAMP 28 Apr 1862 in Forbes NSW, son of JURY CRAMP and MARY EDMUNDS. He was born 28 Apr 1838 in Bombar, Abercrombie River NSW, and died 28 Aug 1904 in Mulyan, Cowra NSW.
OBITUARY
'' Cowra Free Press''
Friday April 25, 1923
Death of another Old Pioneer
The late Mrs. Elizabeth Louisa Cramp, after a lengthy illness, the death occurred at her residence, ''Mulyan'' on Thursday of Mrs. E. L. Cramp relict of the late Mr. Alfred Cramp, for many years a highly respected resident of Cowra.
The late Mrs. Cramp was a native of Parramatta, was a daughter of the late Charles Payne, and was 79 years at the time of her death. She came to Cowra when only a young woman & had resided here continuously for about half a century. She leaves the following family. Messrs Charles Henry, Jury Joseph, Alfred (Reids Flat), Benjamin, Septimus, & Joseph Phillip (Wellington) and Mesdames James Muir, Frank Bennett (Sydney), D. Byrne (Wagga), and a number of grandchildren. She is buried in Church of England Cemetery, today Friday, April 25.
OBITUARY
'' Cowra Free Press,''
Tuesday May 29, 1923
Mrs. Cramp, born Parramatta in 1844, daughter of the late Charles Payne of Kent, England. Family of six sons, three daughters, all living. For several years Mrs. Cramp spent her childhood days in Parramatta, going from there to Goulburn where her father conducted ''White Horse Hotel'' in Auburn Street for a considerable time.
They later moved to Lambing Flat and Forbes goldfields. Some years later she married Alfred Cramp of Forbes, who followed farming pursuits very successfully in the Crookwell district. Then moved to Cowra and purchased the ''Great Western'', then the '' Royal Hotel'' as proprietor where they carried on for many years and the premises still remains in the family today. The late Mrs. Cramp had a most charitable disposition and scope of her factors was far and wide, particularly during the period when her husband was in business. During that time a beggar was never allowed to go away hungry and many a meal found its way to the homes of the poorer classes of the town.
Crookwell Gazette,
Wednesday 30.5.1923
Personal
There passed away last week, after a protracted illness, at her residence, Mulyan, Cowra, an old and respected pioneer resident, Mrs. Elizabeth Louisa Cramp, relict of the late Alfred Cramp of Cowra. The deceased was a native of Parramatta, and 79 years of age. In early life she came to Cowra where she had resided continuously for upwards of fifty years. Se is survived by the following family: Messrs Charles, Henry, Jury Josiah, Alfred (Reid's Flat), Benjamin, Septimus, and Joseph Phillip (Wellington), and Mesdames James Muir, Frank Bennett (Sydney) and D Byrnes (Wagga). Mrs. Baker senior of Laggan is a sister and there are many grand children. The interment took pace at the CofE portion of the Cowra cemetery, the Rev. Mirrington officiating.
Burial: 25 Apr 1923, Cowra C/E
ALFRED & ELIZABETH LOUISA NEE PAYNE & SON BENJAMIN:
Alfred Cramp was born at Bomber, Abercrombie on April 21 1838, a son of Jury Cramp and his wife Mary Ann Edmunds. Jury Cramp at that time was employed as a farrier for Thomas Hassall, who had a land holding at Mulgowrie. Not a lot is known about Alfred’s early childhood but he was known to get into a few scrapes in his early years before he settled down. He married Elizabeth ‘Louisa’ Payne at Forbes NSW on April 28, 1862. Louisa was the daughter of Charles Payne and Ann Elizabeth Fitzgerald.
Alfred was at the gold fields with his brother George, seeking their fortunes and this maybe where Alfred met Louisa as she was known to be there with her father Charles Payne.
Alfred was at several gold diggings, Tuena 1854, Lambing Flats (now Young), North Lead and Forbes. From these pursuits it is assumed he was successful enough to allow himself to settle down and pursue farming at Binda and to then raise his young family.
This was not to prove as uneventful as we are led to believe. The Goulburn Herald was to report Ben Hall Gang called on Alfred Cramp after the shooting of Constable Nelson at Collector. He was a publican, lived at Cowra & had Great Western & Royal Hotels. Often figured in wrangles over hotel licences & clean premises. Lost a finger in a shooting accident. Was a champion middleweight boxer & people tried to get him to fight overseas but declined.
Goulburn Herald,
July 10 1867
Before the Police Magistrate at Goulburn on Monday the 8th was Alfred Cramp, charged with assaulting Mrs. O’Brien, wife of John O’Brien, at O’Brien’s Public House at Binda. The assault was of somewhat aggravated nature. Cramp was sent to Goulburn Goal for two months.
Goulburn Goal Entry
Goal Standing Number 4216, Alfred Cramp, born 1838, height 5’8’’, fresh complexion, dark brown hair, hazel eyes, prominent chin, long nose, mouth medium, mole under right shoulder blade. Could read and write.
Alfred Cramp
Goulburn Herald
Tuesday, September 30, 1884
Police Court
Police v Alfred Cramp, for using unrecorded brand for sheep. Defendant stated that some three years ago he made an application to the inspector for the use of such brand, and had remitted the fees; since which time he had heard no more about it, and thought the brand was registered. The case was adjourned to the next court (20 October, 1884) to admit of defendant producing evidence.
Goulburn Herald
Thursday, October 30, 1884
Police Court
Alfred Cramp was sued by the police for using an unregistered sheep brand. This case had been postponed from last court upon the representation of Cramp that he made an application and remitted fee to the sheep inspector at Carcoar, and he now produced a certificate under the brand of J.W West, sheep inspector, Carcoar, showing that the brand had been allotted. Case dismissed.
Cowra Free Press
Saturday, October 26, 1895
Police Court
Remanded accordingly, Alfred Cramp, licensee of the Royal Hotel appeared upon summons, charged with allowing billiards to be played on his premises an hour after the hour of 11 P.M. on the 17th instant.
Defendant pleaded guilty;
Constable Tranter deposed that he observed the billiard room attached to the defendants hotel, open at 12 midnight on Tuesday, 17th instant ; he questioned the person in charge, but did not caution the defendant personally, there were people playing in the room at the time.
Sergeant Harvey deposed that this was the first offence the licensee had been charged with.
Defendant said he was in bed at the time.
His Worship said that he had no option but to inflict a fine of ₤2 pounds that being the minimum penalty under the licensing act.
Fined ₤2 pounds, and 4 shillings costs, in default levy and distress.
Cowra Free Press,
Thursday 1st. September 1904
OBITUARY
THE LATE MR ALFRED CRAMP, SENR
A resident of many years in the person of Mr. Alfred Cramp, we much regret to record, died at his residence on Saturday night after a very brief illness, the result of an attack of appendicitis. About four years ago the first symptoms of failing health manifested themselves, and some months later he removed to Sydney NSW, where he underwent a successful operation. About three years ago he returned to Cowra and since then, up to within a week or two of the fatal seizure, he apparently enjoyed excellent health, consequently few were prepared for the sad news that he had breathed his last. Our late townsman was born at Bomber, in the Carcoar district on April 21st, 1838, therefore he was in his 67th year. In his early days he chiefly followed mining pursuits, and in the course of his peregrinations in quest of the precious metal he visited the Lambing Flat (Young) and Forbes goldfields. At the latter place in 1862 he married Miss Louisa Payne, of Goulburn, who survives him, and eventually settled down in the Goulburn district, where he was a successful grazier for a number of years He commenced his career as a hotelkeeper in Cowra at the Great Western Hotel in 1888, and upon that hostelry becoming too small for his very large business connection, he removed to the Royal Hotel, where he conducted a large and lucrative business until the precarious state of his health necessitated his retirement into private life. He leaves a widow and grown-up family of six sons and three daughters to mourn the loss of a most affectionate husband and parent. The remains were interred in the Church of England portion of the cemetery on Sunday, in the presence of a very large number of sympathising friends and mourners. The burial service was read by Mr. A W Marshall, the Rev R Seymour Smith being away from home at the time. We tender the sorrowing family our deepest sympathy. B 1838 Mulgowrie, d 27.8.1904, par Jury Cramp/Mary Ann Edmunds, husband of Elizabeth Louisa Payne, issue Charles 1863, Jeremiah 1864, Alfred 1866, Benjamin 1868, Ada A L (Muir) 1870, Henrietta L (Bennett), 1872, Lydia 1874 (Byrnes), Septimus 1878, Josiah P 1881
He died at Cowra on September 1, 1904, following an attack of appendicitis. Louisa remained in Cowra with her family till her death on April 25, 1923. Both Alfred and Louisa were buried in the Church of England section of the Cowra Cemetery, beside Louisa’s father, Charles Payne