Davina Pruitt-Mentle:Hello brianJan 16, 2007 6:57:07 PM EST
Brian White:HelloJan 16, 2007 6:57:13 PM EST
[Pamela Shurkinjoined the session]Jan 16, 2007 6:57:14 PM EST
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Davina Pruitt-Mentle:Hi PamelaJan 16, 2007 6:57:24 PM EST
[Pamela Shurkinjoined the session]Jan 16, 2007 6:59:13 PM EST
Pamela Shurkin:HiJan 16, 2007 6:59:16 PM EST
Davina Pruitt-Mentle:??? Pamela seems to have come and gone--still waiting on othersJan 16, 2007 6:59:20 PM EST
Pamela Shurkin:I am hereJan 16, 2007 6:59:27 PM EST
Davina Pruitt-Mentle:until then any questons brianna?Jan 16, 2007 6:59:28 PM EST
Davina Pruitt-Mentle:Brian I am so use to typing in my daughters nameJan 16, 2007 6:59:45 PM EST
Pamela Shurkin:can you both see me?Jan 16, 2007 6:59:52 PM EST
Brian White:YesJan 16, 2007 6:59:57 PM EST
Davina Pruitt-Mentle:Hello pamelaJan 16, 2007 6:59:58 PM EST
Pamela Shurkin:hi ok sorryJan 16, 2007 7:00:00 PM EST
Pamela Shurkin:I was having trouble getting in the chat room at firstJan 16, 2007 7:00:10 PM EST
[Tracy Mastersonjoined the session]Jan 16, 2007 7:00:22 PM EST
Davina Pruitt-Mentle:Hi TracyJan 16, 2007 7:00:30 PM EST
Davina Pruitt-Mentle:just waiting on Shona--just spoke w/ on email so should be here soonJan 16, 2007 7:01:00 PM EST
Tracy Masterson:Hello allJan 16, 2007 7:01:15 PM EST
Pamela Shurkin:Hello TracyJan 16, 2007 7:01:20 PM EST
Tracy Masterson:I've never done a chat before- but I guess it's just like group IM :)Jan 16, 2007 7:02:16 PM EST
Davina Pruitt-Mentle:A lot like it I thinkJan 16, 2007 7:02:29 PM EST
Davina Pruitt-Mentle:Any Specific questions while we wait?Jan 16, 2007 7:03:17 PM EST
Brian White:I don't have anyJan 16, 2007 7:04:19 PM EST
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Davina Pruitt-Mentle:Well let's get startedJan 16, 2007 7:04:48 PM EST
Davina Pruitt-Mentle:First general comments regarding content etc... of course items of interest most interest not interesting etc...Jan 16, 2007 7:05:20 PM EST
Tracy Masterson:I have really found the subject of plagiarism and cyberbullying to be the most interesting to me so far.Jan 16, 2007 7:05:59 PM EST
Tracy Masterson:I didn't know the depth of the problem for either of these issues.Jan 16, 2007 7:06:18 PM EST
Brian White:I don't think I fully understood the Cyberbullying issueJan 16, 2007 7:06:33 PM EST
Pamela Shurkin:I liked the Berson and Berson article from yesterday that talked about cybersafety and cognitive developmentJan 16, 2007 7:06:45 PM EST
Davina Pruitt-Mentle:Tracy do you think this is an issue we could start students off early in knowing more about? how early?Jan 16, 2007 7:07:08 PM EST
Davina Pruitt-Mentle:Brian ---what do you not understand or what is confusing about Cyberbullying?Jan 16, 2007 7:07:46 PM EST
Tracy Masterson:Absolutely. I don't remember which article it was, but one of our readings talked about the importance of getting children to learn proper cybersafety rules as soon as they started using the computer.Jan 16, 2007 7:08:08 PM EST
Davina Pruitt-Mentle:Pamela --what did you like most about the article?Jan 16, 2007 7:08:12 PM EST
Brian White:I think that some of the articles and examples were not really CyberbullingJan 16, 2007 7:08:28 PM EST
Brian White:Cyberbullying is a serious issue, some of the examples given seemed to just be normal teenage problemsJan 16, 2007 7:08:54 PM EST
Tracy Masterson:I think that it should be integrated into our teaching from as early as we start taking children to the computer lab or give them computer assignments. And I also think that this is a major topic for Library Media Specialists (LMS) to tackle.Jan 16, 2007 7:09:12 PM EST
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Davina Pruitt-Mentle:Brian which ones? perhaps they were on another topic for that days discussionJan 16, 2007 7:09:26 PM EST
Pamela Shurkin:First, I thought it explored cybersafety issues from a more thoughtful issue and assessed realistic approaches to working with children and the internet as far as their realistic capabilityJan 16, 2007 7:09:27 PM EST
Shona Holmes:i am so sorry, I was in the other chat room...the lecture hallJan 16, 2007 7:09:41 PM EST
Tracy Masterson:Hi!Jan 16, 2007 7:09:48 PM EST
Pamela Shurkin:I also liked how the authors made the conclusion that mentoring and supervision was important for younger childrenJan 16, 2007 7:10:44 PM EST
Pamela Shurkin:Hi ShonaJan 16, 2007 7:10:47 PM EST
Davina Pruitt-Mentle:OH bullying is bullying and a hugh issue in schools today (not just cyberbullying) so much so that schools to receive certain fudning must address the SAFE schools initative--they (in MD at least) must make record of every instance no matter how smallJan 16, 2007 7:10:48 PM EST
Tracy Masterson:I agree with you Pamela. I thought that it was a nice way to remind adults that children/teens are still developing in certain cognitive ways that affect how they interact with the computer and what kinds of info they give out to others. (I think that this is the same article...)Jan 16, 2007 7:11:20 PM EST
Brian White:I think the stats that the websites showed were misleadingJan 16, 2007 7:11:20 PM EST
Davina Pruitt-Mentle:the reason is patterns start to emerge and it has been shown that the sme students over and over in small issues have lead to bigger ones (guns etc..Jan 16, 2007 7:11:40 PM EST
Shona Holmes:Bullying is a major issue even beginning in elementary school. We were given a brand new curriculum this year to help students deal with bulliesJan 16, 2007 7:12:16 PM EST
Tracy Masterson:Did it talk about cyberbullying by any chance?Jan 16, 2007 7:12:29 PM EST
Davina Pruitt-Mentle:Hi Shona we were discussing general comments on the content of the course --what folks like best etc...Jan 16, 2007 7:12:43 PM EST
Tracy Masterson:Because I had never really heard of the term before...Jan 16, 2007 7:12:52 PM EST
Shona Holmes:thanks....I went back and readJan 16, 2007 7:12:53 PM EST
Shona Holmes:so i am caught upJan 16, 2007 7:12:55 PM EST
Shona Holmes:I was a little lonely in the other chat roomJan 16, 2007 7:13:01 PM EST
Shona Holmes:There isn't an cyberbullying mentioned but I the curriculum that i have is only for K-2Jan 16, 2007 7:13:24 PM EST
Davina Pruitt-Mentle:then I will try to focus on one area more and then move on to make sure everyone's topic of most interst is addressed--right now we were disscussing more on cyberbullyingJan 16, 2007 7:13:30 PM EST
Shona Holmes:I will have to ask the upper grades if they got one in their curriculum. That would be interesting to see because many people don't think that the Internet issues should be dealt with at such a young ageJan 16, 2007 7:14:16 PM EST
Tracy Masterson:Children as young as those in grade K-2 are using the Internet, and I think it would be a good idea to start demonstrating cybersafety and talking about all C3 issues with them right from the beginning.Jan 16, 2007 7:15:11 PM EST
Brian White:I think that the issue of Cyberbullying is exaggerated. It is a problem of course but the readings made me feel that it was being used an excuse to gain more control over school computers.Jan 16, 2007 7:15:35 PM EST
Davina Pruitt-Mentle:Brain Not sure which stats but when you get a chance review some of the iSAFE and NetSmartz currcilum especially intersting is the video clipsJan 16, 2007 7:15:47 PM EST
Shona Holmes:I absolutely agree. That's why I really think that websites like Netsmartz that have lessons for teachers to use are really helpful.Jan 16, 2007 7:15:58 PM EST
Brian White:I forget what the exact number was but it was something like 60% of students have been cybercullyed.Jan 16, 2007 7:16:37 PM EST
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Pamela Shurkin:that does sound highJan 16, 2007 7:17:05 PM EST
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Davina Pruitt-Mentle:Most MS and HS schools are really seeing the issues as students start "bullying" in social networking sites --call it what you want it's still bullying harassing or just plain being mean but it's out of control in middle and high schools and carrying over from outside the classroom to inside the schoolJan 16, 2007 7:17:18 PM EST
Tracy Masterson:I too was shocked by the numbers- some of the articles mentioned lower stats (such as around 16% or so), but even then that meant that cyberbullying affect over 5 million kids.Jan 16, 2007 7:17:33 PM EST
Brian White:I will try to find the number I am referring to.Jan 16, 2007 7:17:57 PM EST
Davina Pruitt-Mentle:60% of those surveyed --I'll have to look at the sample size american Internet Life Project stats also has some pretty good statsJan 16, 2007 7:18:13 PM EST
Davina Pruitt-Mentle:so given the number or a general statement that its an issue what can we do to help reduce this problem?Jan 16, 2007 7:19:15 PM EST
Shona Holmes:I think that the number is high because it is so easy to fall into the definition of being cyberbullied. Especially with the use of facebook and Myspace, students have the ability to post information up about anyone that they wantJan 16, 2007 7:19:21 PM EST
Davina Pruitt-Mentle:Correct!Jan 16, 2007 7:19:51 PM EST
Tracy Masterson:I think that the reason it was so hard to believe those stats was because I personally have never been afftected, nor anyone that I know, by a cyberbully. But I also really believe that kids younger than us are using the Internet more than ever, and this could put them at greater risk. The more time spent online and the more kids use the cyber world for their social sphere, the greater chance of being bullied there.Jan 16, 2007 7:20:27 PM EST
Pamela Shurkin:My impression about the safety of online communities like Myspace has really changed as a result of this course. I had never thought about all of the safety and security issues that arise from providing so much personal information onlineJan 16, 2007 7:21:03 PM EST
Brian White:That's what it was, from Wikipedia and iSafe it said that 42 percent of those surveyed were bullied.Jan 16, 2007 7:21:22 PM EST
Pamela Shurkin:It seems that people really do have a false sense of security and anonymityJan 16, 2007 7:21:33 PM EST
Davina Pruitt-Mentle:reagrding bullying was any one EVER harassed or bullied in school (not cyber but general)Jan 16, 2007 7:21:51 PM EST
Shona Holmes:5th gradeJan 16, 2007 7:22:11 PM EST
Pamela Shurkin:Once when I was in elementary school two girls would "make fun" of meJan 16, 2007 7:22:16 PM EST
Brian White:Has any one not been at on point or another?Jan 16, 2007 7:22:21 PM EST
Shona Holmes:exactly BrianJan 16, 2007 7:22:34 PM EST
Davina Pruitt-Mentle:no convert that to today's environment that most students deal in--now see why the stats can be so high?Jan 16, 2007 7:22:58 PM EST
Tracy Masterson:(In response to Pamela's earlier mention of MySpace). I know what you mean. A friend of mine sent me a link yesterday to her MySpace page, and I was amazed at the access I had to other people's MySpace pages and the amount of info they listed on them.Jan 16, 2007 7:23:05 PM EST
Pamela Shurkin:good pointJan 16, 2007 7:23:08 PM EST
Pamela Shurkin:I assume these networks can be powerful forums for bullying as wellJan 16, 2007 7:23:41 PM EST
Shona Holmes:Tracy you make an excellent point. I think Myspace breeds stalking. I know so many people who are addicted to going on and searching for people from their past.Jan 16, 2007 7:23:49 PM EST
Pamela Shurkin:If one person starts an attack, it could spread rather fast and be a powerful offense to someoneJan 16, 2007 7:24:01 PM EST
Brian White:I know the stats are high. They are 100%. But the vast majority of these are minor issues. I think that these stats are being misconstrued to get filters and monitoring on every computer.Jan 16, 2007 7:24:12 PM EST
Davina Pruitt-Mentle:Another area of interest was from pamela--discussing an article Berson & Berson cognitve development and cybersafety issuesJan 16, 2007 7:24:21 PM EST
Pamela Shurkin:I thought it was really interesting to look at these issues from a psychological perspectiveJan 16, 2007 7:24:53 PM EST
Pamela Shurkin:Taking a look at what young people are and are not capable of handling and comprehending puts many of the prevention tactics into perspectiveJan 16, 2007 7:25:38 PM EST
Davina Pruitt-Mentle:Brian--I would have to share that many organizations ISTEZ/library association /state NSCSA etc.. are psuhing for educational efforts but DEAD against filtering ...but your point is takenJan 16, 2007 7:26:27 PM EST
Davina Pruitt-Mentle:back to the cognitive developmentJan 16, 2007 7:26:47 PM EST
Tracy Masterson:That's true. And it can help educators understand the best way to approach giving them cybersafety advice. We can see what issues should be addressed instead of assuming that a child would not give out private information or make impulsive online choices.Jan 16, 2007 7:27:21 PM EST
Brian White:I think my previosu point is linked to this article, Berson and Berson would prescribe guidance over filters.Jan 16, 2007 7:27:22 PM EST
Davina Pruitt-Mentle:this is of interest because it serves to better understand why "just telling kids don't do it" doesn't get them to stop--it's hard to see the connection esp related to consequencesJan 16, 2007 7:27:44 PM EST
Pamela Shurkin:I agree with that perspective overall, I think mroe guidance equips children with an ability to make safe and smart decisions that can be useful while online but also in other areas of lifeJan 16, 2007 7:28:12 PM EST
Pamela Shurkin:I think some of the websites that have interactive components help address drawing these connections to consequencesJan 16, 2007 7:29:11 PM EST
Brian White:You are right. Some of the interactive activities are good for developing this.Jan 16, 2007 7:29:59 PM EST
Shona Holmes:Kids also need to see the consequences as it relates to people they can compare to themselves. Many kids just don't think bad things can happen to them until it is too late. The same thing was the case when I was a kid. You think you are untouchable.Jan 16, 2007 7:30:07 PM EST
Tracy Masterson:Yes, and I think that it's good for students to hear examples of things that happen to other people- to further help them with linking actions to consequencesJan 16, 2007 7:30:52 PM EST
Davina Pruitt-Mentle:Did anyone get a chance to view any of the video clips from either iSAFE or Netsmartz?Jan 16, 2007 7:31:00 PM EST
Shona Holmes:Yes and I love them. I like that kids can see that it is real people.Jan 16, 2007 7:31:11 PM EST
Tracy Masterson:I took the iSAFE course- it was really informative and interestingJan 16, 2007 7:31:31 PM EST
Shona Holmes:This is the only downfall that I felt to Netsmartz teens. I think that kids need to relate to real life rather than cartoonsJan 16, 2007 7:31:34 PM EST
Pamela Shurkin:I agreeJan 16, 2007 7:32:07 PM EST
Pamela Shurkin:the cartoons may be a bit of a stretchJan 16, 2007 7:32:16 PM EST
Tracy Masterson:I thought that the idea of peer mentors was especially good, because peer to peer contact can be very influential. iSAFE was not the only program to suggest this. I also liked the Teenangels site.Jan 16, 2007 7:33:00 PM EST
Brian White:I noticed that many of these sites are from other countries. Are we behind on online issues compared to the rest of the world?Jan 16, 2007 7:34:22 PM EST
Tracy Masterson:A lot of Canadian articles in our readings too...Jan 16, 2007 7:34:41 PM EST
Davina Pruitt-Mentle:when you get a chance go to and view a view of the quick videos very intersting also excellent to share with students to share --as you mentioned what CAn happenJan 16, 2007 7:34:59 PM EST
Davina Pruitt-Mentle:Yes we are behind on these issuesJan 16, 2007 7:35:14 PM EST
Davina Pruitt-Mentle:Australia is actually ahead as well as many of the eurpean countires--but the same is true for online learning as well--americans always think we're ahead but we are REALLY behind in these areasJan 16, 2007 7:36:15 PM EST
Shona Holmes:lolJan 16, 2007 7:36:25 PM EST
Shona Holmes:I think that other countries are often proactive and we tend to be reactiveJan 16, 2007 7:36:40 PM EST
Davina Pruitt-Mentle:Tracy also thought Plagiarism was intersting--what are folks thoughts on this topic?Jan 16, 2007 7:37:36 PM EST
Tracy Masterson:Does this mean that issues (such as cyberbullying) are not as high in the US as elsewhere? I noticed that the Canadian stats for cyberbullying were much higher than the ones I encounterd in the US articles.Jan 16, 2007 7:37:44 PM EST
Pamela Shurkin:I was shocked at the poor quality of some of the paper mill websitesJan 16, 2007 7:38:14 PM EST
Tracy Masterson:I had heard of these paper mill sites before, but I had never visited one and I agree- they were of awful qualityJan 16, 2007 7:38:27 PM EST
Brian White:I agree with thatJan 16, 2007 7:38:27 PM EST
Pamela Shurkin:I also thought it was surprising how those sample papers we looked at were so blatently copiedJan 16, 2007 7:38:43 PM EST
Davina Pruitt-Mentle:doubt it less research done so far UK has alot better ground on stats on this and in other countries (tracy)Jan 16, 2007 7:38:48 PM EST
Tracy Masterson:Who would really want to pay money for that, all ethical issues to the side?/1Jan 16, 2007 7:38:48 PM EST
Shona Holmes:I think that many kids still don't have a good understanding of what plagiarism is. I think that even many teachers still don't understand. Therefore, i think we will continue to see this as a problem for quite some timeJan 16, 2007 7:38:49 PM EST
Brian White:After looking at those papers online it is apparent that teacher apathy is a major factor is the prevalence of cheatingJan 16, 2007 7:39:30 PM EST