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Alleged Top-Secret Bases
Channel 8 Las Vegas I-Team: In Search of the New Area-51
Nevada's Area 51 -- the most famous (or infamous) military base in the World -- is once again generating its share of wild speculation. The story continues to circulate that the base has either shut down or moved its most sensitive projects to other less-visible locations.
20 years ago this month, Eyewitness News started an investigation that put Area-51 on the map. The reason that Area-51 became a household name is because of allegations they had flying saucers out there (i.e., things that were made "somewhere else").
In aviation circles, a lot of people figure that story was pure disinformation concocted by the Military to draw attention away from something else that was going on out there. If that's the case, then the tactic surely backfired on the Air Force because as a result of the saucer story, Area-51 became known all over the World and is still a focus of attention.
Civilian pilots and other eyewitnesses have been seeing strange things in the skies in and around a restricted airspace that straddles the Nevada-Utah border. If there's a base hidden out in this desert, it certainly isn't easy to spot.
Contrary to persistent media reports, the World's most famous secret base -- the original Area-51 -- is doing just fine. A 1997 article in Popular Mechanics magazine claimed the whole place had shut down and moved to eastern Utah so the military could work on a secret space plane. Not true.
Nearly every day, unmarked planes ferry employees from a terminal at McCarran up to Groom Lake. Buses with blacked out windows still rumble up-and-down the long gravel road. Satellite photos show the “facility” (that's the only term the government will use) operating at Groom Lake is bigger than ever with new hangars and other facilities.
That means the cottage industry that's grown up around the base continues to thrive as well. In Rachel, the Little A'Le'Inn still sells "Beam Me Up, Scotty" highballs and ET merchandise. At the other end of the Extraterrestrial Highway, the rival Area-51 Research Center sells its own merchandise under the shadow of a 30 foot tall alien robot.
Curious types armed with cameras and high powered lenses still trek through the desert or climb the mountains to get a glimpse of the base.
In 2005, military watchdog Chuck Clark learned the hard way that Area-51 was still up and running. He located a series of hidden sensors on public land, miles from the edge of the base. After showing them to the I-Team, his home was raided by the Joint Terrorism Task Force.
Things took a radical turn for Area 51 in 1989 when a man named Bob Lazar made the outrageous claim that he had worked on flying saucers at a facility called S-4 in the Area-51 complex. [StealthSkater note: see doc pdf URL]
Ever since Lazar told his story, the World has beaten a path to Area-51's door. Which is why it might make sense for them to move their most sensitive projects to a place with a lower profile. One that attracts less attention.
"Everybody knows about Area-51 and Groom Lake. But the interesting thing is that I don't think there is anything there anymore," said former CIA pilot John Lear.
Lear has done as much as anyone to put Area-51 on the map. He knows there are still programs underway out there. But he suspects the most sensitive projects -- ones involving the most exotic technology (perhaps something resembling flying saucers) -- have been moved.
Lear thinks some of the most advanced work is now being done at a sister facility Area-52 within the Tonopah Test Range. He also harbors suspicions about an adjunct facility called “Base Camp” which is halfway between Areas 51 and 52. The facility is strictly off limits to outsiders. And those who work on the inside don't talk about what they do.
He is even more intrigued by a vast and remote section of desert south of Wendover, Nevada on the Utah-Nevada line. Lear, an accomplished pilot whose father invented the Lear Jet, still has numerous friends in the aviation world and they tell him stories about seeing camouflaged runways that open up in the middle of nowhere.
"As the pilots land, they tell me as they're coming in to be radar-vectored at 500 feet ... They look down and it will just be like desert or normal landscape. Then all of a sudden, it will unzip like this and they will see a runway," he said.
A search of the area south of Wendover found no evidence of runways or military facilities although others are looking as well.
Utah UFO hunters, perhaps yearning for an Area-51 of their very own, have proposed that a planned massive expansion of Dugway Proving Grounds is part of a program to create a new Area-51. They also note that Michael Air Base (which controls the airspace south of Wendover) has like Dugway been the site of some very strange things seen in the skies including saucer-type craft and shafts of light that seem to emanate from the ground.
The one thing we've learned from chasing after the original Area-51 is that we're unlikely to find out much unless they want us to know.
"If something is going on out there and they don't want people to know about it, they're not going to know about it. Not going to happen," said Area-51 Specialist T.D. Barnes.
Barnes has worked as a CIA radar specialist out at Area-51 for many years and is president of an organization called the Roadrunners, former Groom Lake employees who today are much freer to talk about what went on out there because some material has been declassified.
There are many who think that just as the flying saucer story was created as disinformation, so was the story about the base shutting down. It has probably deterred a lot of people from heading out for a visit, which means fewer headaches for the base. The fact is that Area-51 is alive and well and there is nothing else like it in the world.
Utah's Green River Complex called the "New Area-51"
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Reprinted from AboveTopSecret.com
23 June 2004
A remote Army facility in eastern Utah was called "the New Area 51" in Popular Mechanics magazine's June cover story. According to the magazine, the Green River Complex along with Michael Air Field at Dugway Proving Ground may become an aviation test complex replacing the over-publicized Groom Lake base known as "Dreamland" and "Area-51". Though based on limited evidence, the claim has increased interest in the Green River Complex, sufficient to warrant a characterization of the facility in these pages.
Officially called the Utah Launch Complex, the 3,650 acre site in the bare hills north of Moab was established in 1961 as a launch point for test missiles bound for the Army's 4,000 square-mile White Sands Missile Range in New Mexico. The site has been in "caretaker status" since the last launch in 1974 and has fallen into disrepair. It seems to be an unlikely candidate for a new classified defense project site as was discovered by field researcher Doug Denk reporting to the Area-51 Research Center:
It didn't take a whole lot of searching to find the place which is located next to Interstate 70 about 6 miles east of the town of Green River, Utah. To get there, simply get off I-70 at exit 162 and head south (away from town). You will immediately come to a "T" intersection. Turn left and you're on the main drag of the Green River Launch Complex.
THE BIG BUNKER AT THE GREEN RIVER COMPLEX - PHOTO BY DOUG DENK
The facility itself (officially referred to on signs here as the Utah Launch Complex) sits in a shallow valley roughly 4 miles long east-west and 1 mile wide north-south. It consists of a total of 10 significant buildings and structures scattered throughout the valley with a few other old foundations and poles here-and-there. Overall, the complex is in a terrible state of disrepair. Signs are unreadable, windows are boarded up, and most buildings are visibly damaged in some way. The power lines to all the buildings that I inspected had been smashed to bits.
Starting on the west side of the complex at the "T" intersection mentioned above and heading east up the main drag, the complex is laid out like this: After about 0.5 miles, there are 3 large grey metal buildings on the right. These are completely fenced off and are labeled as the “Magazine Area”. These buildings sit only about 200 yards south of I-70 and are plainly visible from the freeway.
At 2.2 miles is the intersection of Crystal Geyser Road with the Meteorological Building (as indicated by a sign out front) just to the south. The building is completely empty and in sad shape. Continuing on the dirt road to the south leads through some low hills and then southwest to the geyser and the east bank of the Green River. North on Crystal Geyser Road heads past a communications tower, on a hill to the east, then under the interstate.
At the end of the main drag at mile 3.3 is the launch part of the complex with 5 major structures. It is encircled by a chain-link and barbed-wire topped perimeter fence and is hidden from immediate view from I-70 by some hills to the north. The gate into the main complex is usually wide open. There are no legible "No Trespassing" signs anywhere in the area.
At the center is a bunker-type concrete and earth structure. Immediately behind the bunker is what appears to be one of the launch sites, now only a concrete slab with metal rails along its length. A couple hundred yards south of the bunker is the largest building in the complex known to be the former device assembly building. Also in this main complex area is a large shed or garage and a collapsed tower.
I could find no signs of any recent activity anywhere on the site. In fact, the place looks utterly abandoned. In the 4-or-5 hours that I spent examining the site, I never saw another person.
Originally posted by hiii_98 a member of ATS POST ID 5747972
Why don t you go out there yourself and then make that comment? I did and what I saw defiantly did NOT look like a 100% abandoned base. It looked like a lot of new construction was going on at the base property. Most of it being underground work and laying miles of cables.
There is also supposedly a giant tunnel out there hidden behind some valleys that is accessible. I only had a short time to visit the base and wasn’t able to find it. But I've read several rumors of its existence and I’m sure the locals may know where it’s at. Supposedly it’s HUGE.
[quote]Oh and one more thing. Just because it says "use of deadly force authorized" doesn’t mean that you will be shot just for crossing a line or fence.[/quote]
I totally agree with you. They put that warning for the most extreme cases. Here is one picture I took (btw, this obviously isn’t abandoned)
Utah's Green River Complex
Google Earth Eyeball
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This area is just off the freeway and is listed on Google Earth as a uranium mine tailing pond/settling basin. But look at it closely below. This does NOT look like a water-filled settling basin but rather a covered area. Very odd.
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Area-51 'Uncensored': Was It UFOs Or The USSR?
May 17, 2011·/ 1:07 PM ET / Fresh Air
75 miles north of Las Vegas sits a land parcel in the middle of the desert. Called Area-51, the parcel is just outside of the abandoned Nevada Test and Training Range where more than 100 atmospheric bomb tests were conducted in the 1950s. Officially, the U.S. Government has never acknowledged the existence of Area-51. Unofficially, it has become a place associated with conspiracy theories, alien landings, and tiny spaceships.
Journalist Annie Jacobsen tells Fresh Air's Terry Gross that the site has remained classified for many years not because of aliens or spaceships but because the Government once used the site for top-secret nuclear testing and weapons development.
In Area 51: An Uncensored History of America's Top Secret Military Base, Jacobsen details how several agencies (including the Atomic Energy Commission, the Department of Defense and the CIA) once used the site to conduct controversial and secretive research on aircraft and pilot-related projects including planes that traveled 3 times faster than the speed of sound and nuclear-propelled space-based missile launch systems.
Excerpted from Area 51: An Uncensored History of America's Top Secret Military Base by Annie Jacobsen. Copyright 2011 by Annie Jacobsen. Excerpted by permission of Little, Brown and Co.
On flying discs and conspiracy theories
"The UFO craze began in the summer of 1947. Several months later, the G2 intelligence (which was the Army Intelligence Corps at the time) spent an enormous amount of time and treasure seeking out 2 former Third Reich aerospace designers named Walter and Reimar Horten who had allegedly created a flying disc. ... American intelligence agents fanned out across Europe seeking the Horton brothers to find out if, in fact, they had made this flying disc.
"The idea behind it remainswhy? Why were they looking for a flying disc? And conspiracy theorists have had their hands on this declassified file for over a decade now. They say that it proves that this flying disc came from Outer Space. If you read the documents, the takeaway that I found fascinating was that at the end of it, the Army admits finding the Horten brothers and that the Horten brothers admitted their contact with the Russians and that's where the file ends. Everything after that is classified."
On why Area-51 is actually classified according to a source:
"The Horten brothers were involved in the flying disc crash in New Mexico. And that is from a single source. ... There was an unusual moment where that source became very upset and told me things that were stunning that's almost impossible to believe at first read. And that is that a flying disc really did crash in New Mexico and it was transported to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base. And then in 1951 it was transferred to Area-51 which is why the base is called Area-51. And the stunning part of the reveal is that my source -- who I absolutely believe and worked with for 18 months on this -- was one of the engineers who received the equipment. And he also received the people who were in the craft.
"The people were, according to the source, were child-sized pilots. There's a lot of debate about how old they were. He believes that they were 13 although other people believe they may have been older. But this is a firsthand witness to this. And I made a decision to write about this in the very end of the book after I take the traditional journalist form of telling you everything in the third person, I switch and I kind of lean into the reader and I say, 'Look, this is not why Area-51 is classified to the point where no one in the Government will admit it exists. The reason is because what one man told me.'
And then using the first person, I tell you what I was told. And there's no doubt that people are going to be upset, alarmed, and skeptical of this information. But I absolutely believe the veracity of my source. And I believe it was important that I put this information out there because it is the tip of a very big iceberg."
On the Soviet human experiments her source told her about
"The child-sized aviators in this craft that crashed in New Mexico were the result of a Soviet human experimentation program. They had been made to look like aliens a la Orson Welles' “War of the Worlds”. It was a warning shot over President Truman's bow so-to-speak. In 1947 when this would have originally happened, the Soviets did not yet have the nuclear bomb. Stalin and Truman were locked in horns with one another. Stalin couldn't compete in nuclear weaponry yet. But he certainly could compete in the world of black propaganda. And that was his aim according to my source. ...
"What is firsthand information is that he worked with these bodies of the pilots. He was an eyewitness to the horror of seeing them and working with them. Where they actually came from is obviously the subject of debate. But if you look at the timeline with Josef Mengele, he left Auschwitz in January of 1945 and disappeared for a while. The suggestion by the source is that Mengele had already cut his losses with the Third Reich at that point and was working with Stalin."