Alert: This is a formal class on principals underlying the Torah as found in the classic text, Derech Hashem. Questions should be related to the text - limit to 30 seconds each Class is each Wednesday nights at 9pm eastern. lnfo found at www.yashanet.com/derech
BEHANU: shalom
Isibel: Shalom Yehoshua
YehoshuaBA: shalom
LevEchad: Shalom Yehoshua
YehoshuaBA: shalom lev
LevEchad: brb
BEHANU: Rabbi Eli was singing Kumbaya in the other room ... what a night
sherryr: lol Kumbaya?
Isibel: LOL
Isibel: yes
BEHANU: Without context that is weird eh?
BEHANU: Shalom - we have our class at 9pm est tonite.
sherryr: yes weird
sherryr: but cool
Isibel: Shalom Home
home row: Shalom Isibel
Taz_Aharon: oy
Taz_Aharon: hi
sherryr: Shalom Taz
Taz_Aharon: 1
olivesnr: 1
sherryr: 1
Taz_Aharon: little low
Taz_Aharon: shalom
A D A M_3: isibel...... what a room
home row: that is a cute nic
Taz_Aharon: 1
YehoshuaBA: ---
sparkle_zzirf: good day
BEHANU: Shalom all - Welcome to our Derech Hashem class.
sparkle_zzirf: shalom thankyou
sherryr: Shalom BPA
tstudy84: Shalom
BlkPraiseAngel: Shalom to all
tstudy84: everybody
A D A M_3: let the man stand at the door and salute them that come in
BlkPraiseAngel: shalom Behanu
BlkPraiseAngel: shalom Sherryr
BlkPraiseAngel: shalom Adam
BlkPraiseAngel: shalom Isibel
BlkPraiseAngel: shalom Yehoshua
BEHANU: 1 sec
YehoshuaBA: shalom blkpraise
BlkPraiseAngel: shalom 4alltruth
home row: shalom blk
BlkPraiseAngel: shalom Sparkle
BlkPraiseAngel: shalom Home row
A D A M_3: animal soul...... ?
BlkPraiseAngel: shalom LevChad
BlkPraiseAngel: shalom Olivesnr
BlkPraiseAngel: shalom Taz
sherryr: neshama?
A D A M_3: i need my own color..... thank you
BlkPraiseAngel: shalom KosherSue
BlkPraiseAngel: shalom Tstudy84
tstudy84: shalom PraiseAngel
A D A M_3: animal soul...... does that mean fleshly soul?
A D A M_3: is this the only part of the spirit that is in the blood?
LevEchad: Shalom BlkPraiseAngel
A D A M_3: conditional?
Alert: An admin joined the room: David_42
BlkPraiseAngel: shalom Strider
BlkPraiseAngel: shalom David
BlkPraiseAngel: wb Olivesnr
Strider_100: Shalom Blk and all
David_42: shalom strider
BlkPraiseAngel: shalom JoysPeace
JoysPeace: shalom BPAngel
JoysPeace: ty
sparkle_zzirf: no idea what that word was - migov?
sparkle_zzirf: will someone type it for me?
BEHANU: was it 'middot'?
sparkle_zzirf: thanks
BEHANU: literally 'measurements' - meaning attributes usually
jerrylee_10: shalom
BEHANU: 'teshuvah' = repentance
home row: to return to Torah...
BEHANU: tzadik = righteous person
home row: the ppl needed to return to Torah as a group
BEHANU: ba'al teshuva = lit. master of repentance (one who has returned to the way of Torah)
sparkle_zzirf: thanks for the definitions
BEHANU: yw - trying to catch them as they come
sparkle_zzirf: it helps to see the word written thankyo Behanu - if only to google it
BEHANU: 1 sec
Taz_Aharon: my soul needs major repair
Taz_Aharon:
olivesnr: i have quastion isibel
olivesnr: when we repent and go back to God,do we have to start form the begining
olivesnr: to grow the way God intented for the begining?
Taz_Aharon: we have to back to Torah, I believe
olivesnr: this is my quastion
home row: olive... repent actually means "return to Torah"... nothing more or less
Moe435: begining? in what sense?
Isibel:
Isibel: Yes
Isibel: 1
Moe435: 1
A D A M_3: 1
Moe435: you have to reconnect..
Moe435: thats about it
A D A M_3: scars
Moe435: youi have to denounce the ol evil deeds...
Moe435: to a level as ..you will never return to its ways
olivesnr: i dont know what tashuwa means
olivesnr: ok
olivesnr: is it hebrow
David_42: yes
Moe435: yes
BEHANU: teshuava = repentance
BEHANU: teshuvah
sparkle_zzirf: 'teshuvah' = repentance aka to return to Torah...
Taz_Aharon: lol
Taz_Aharon: i like that
home row: olive... when you do teshuvah "return to Torah" you have the opportunity to reconnect to HaShem and the words to assist you in staying out of trouble
sparkle_zzirf: would this concept apply on the physical level of parasites in the body? or just the spiritual level?
Moe435: both sparkle..the physical effects the spiiritual
sparkle_zzirf: thank you for answering Isibel
sparkle_zzirf: I guess I was thinking of third world country parasites in blood, liver etc
Moe435: which chapter/ part etc.?
Moe435: ok..
Taz_Aharon: how high can the level of prophecy be?
Taz_Aharon: like not all prophets were on the same level
BEHANU: 1. moshe 2. others
Moe435: you can not surpass moses ...
BEHANU: actually 'others' were at levels
Taz_Aharon: wouldnt Yeshua be 1?
Moe435: thats a given
BEHANU: ie Isaiah considered 'higher' than ezekiel so the former has 'less detail'
Taz_Aharon: but i mean at level do they see behanu
Taz_Aharon: yetzirah etc
Moe435: moses as indicated in the bible
olivesnr: when we repent means we love God?
Moe435: "aspaklaryu me'irah" is the highest leve
olivesnr: what is a degerr of loving God isible pls if u can answer?
olivesnr: loving God means follow his commendments or its more then that
Taz_Aharon: daniels prophetic level seemed very simular to joseph
Moe435: the latter, olive
BEHANU: 2
iguana_8: sorry i was late - what have you been referencing
Taz_Aharon: 2
A D A M_3: some would say...... we obey out of love...... hense they are equal
olivesnr: Moe what is the latter?
Moe435: following the commndments WITH love
Taz_Aharon: you cannot love God without keeping the commandments
olivesnr: i know when we obey we love God ,but i think there is more to it
olivesnr: ok
Taz_Aharon: what about when Yeshua said, no man has been greater than john baptist
olivesnr: yes that is true isible
A D A M_3: what is higher than obedience? perhaps givin up our will completely.
olivesnr: is it acceptiable to God to obey him out of fair?
A D A M_3: fear? at times
olivesnr: so we dont get to that level as soon as we repent?
olivesnr: is that level of love must develep slowly
Taz_Aharon: repenting out of fear is not the right way
A D A M_3: maybe it depends on what level you had...... when you sined....
Taz_Aharon: true repentance is when you choose to please your creator
Taz_Aharon: not repent out of fear
A D A M_3: david had a high level..... before he sinned......
A D A M_3: rependence brough david back to his level.
olivesnr: ty isiblel
janice64: question isibel: someone who doesn't obey G-d but is able to relay G-d's judgements i.e. pharisees..wot spiritual level are they on and are they in danger of loosing their relationship with G-d unless they repent?
A D A M_3: maybe judges......
A D A M_3: or rulers who do judgements...... ?
janice64: i think it is matthew 23 jesus says to obey them but don't do as they say because they don't do as they say
janice64: not secular judges adam
A D A M_3: ok
janice64: jesus says to do wot they say but don't do wot they do because they do not do as they say i.e. hiprocrits
A D A M_3: janic...... that may apply to lot of people...... hiprocrits
tstudy84: yes Adam - myself included at times
janice64: adam i am referring to our spiritual leaders in the church
luminous_spirit: shalom everyone
A D A M_3: shalom luminous
janice64: shalom all
Isibel: 1
BEHANU: pharisees were a religious group - good and bad within
BEHANU: same as any
BEHANU: talmud says there are 7 kinds of pharisees - not all good
A D A M_3: your saying hiprocrits help us develope decernment?
tstudy84: Q: Isibel, is the Prophesy always there, but we have to "contect" to the source.
janice64: exactly behanu
BEHANU: Personally I view Yeshua as a pharisee
tstudy84: yes Behanu, same here
janice64: and paul behanu
BEHANU: His cousin 'John the baptist' in one of the gospels tells the pharisees 'among one of YOU is the messiah'
tstudy84: and he was called a rabbi
sparkle_zzirf: wow I didn't know that
janice64: i can't see how someone can continue to remain in a level so close to G-d if they are not obeying G-d
BEHANU: to compare yeshua's words to those of the pharisees see http://www.yashanet.com/studies/matstudy/mat3a.htm
sherryr: Sam Peak says it's like plugging a 50watt bulb into a nuclear power plant
janice64: isibel are you saying G-d is not using the jews as judges or prophets
iguana_8: we couldnt deal with the torture and persecution they did
tstudy84: Q: Isibel, is the Prophesy always "there", but does the prophet have to "contect" to the source? For example some of the prophets had the same revelation, but used different words to describe it.
A D A M_3: Ii thought prophecy came down from aboveso its in GODS HANDS..??
tstudy84: ty Isibel
BEHANU: there were schools of prophets - see Aryeh Kaplan "Prophecy and the Bible"
janice64: i would think G-d would send a jewish prophet to the jews i.e. in the tanach
A D A M_3: JANICE..there is still a prophet to come...... we leave his place sitting each year.
BEHANU: Janice - yes why?
janice64: elijah
A D A M_3: yes
janice64: behanu something i am just trying to work out
BEHANU: "Prophecy" is more so state of connection to G-d than the ability to 'predict the future'
BEHANU: i.e, Rev 19:10
janice64: i think the office of judge or prophet still exists in judaism but christians deny it
A D A M_3: i would agree janice...... its the connection
BEHANU: Interestingly to 'officially' be 'declared' a true prophet was in the hands of the religious leaders (ie rabbis) thus making the level of prophet technically 'lower' than that of rabbi.
A D A M_3: well...... declaring the prophet would raise him above the rabbis
janice64: behanu but jesus says to obey the pharisees who were not obeying the commands and didn't believe jesus is messiah
iguana_8: because they held the seat of judgement/authority to judge
A D A M_3: we are to obey those placed over us.
A D A M_3: like the husband over his wife......
BEHANU: they had halachtic authority - per torah
iguana_8: not exactly adam
A D A M_3: oh?
sparkle_zzirf: ok then see you next week then - thank you
BEHANU: every weds nite at 9pm est
Moe435: Shalom Behanu
BEHANU: shalom
janice64: we are to obey the judges unless they tell us to sin...
janice64: i wouldn't look at a judge as a husband
A D A M_3: would you look at a husband as a judge?
BEHANU: you could say there is a balance betewwn obeying leaders and personal accountability
BEHANU: in our western culture obeying leaders is not popular
A D A M_3: thank you isibel....
janice64: adam how would a husband judge a wife
Moe435: toda!
A D A M_3: in the room we are working at provoking each other to think
KosherSue: TY Isibel--good study tonight!
tstudy84: thank-you Isibel. Great Study
Isibel: ty very much
A D A M_3: with love...... janice
janice64: todah rabah
BEHANU: questions?
iguana_8: thank you isibel
janice64: of course adam
Isibel: Mic is open if you would like to provoke in a loving way in chat