16th Solar Keymark Network meeting -
Revised final draft agenda – version R3
(2014-03-06, jen)
Meeting time:
Tuesday, March 11tt, 2014, 10:00 - 17:30
Wednesday, March 12th2014, 08:00 – 13:00
Meeting location:
InstitutoTecnológico de Canarias, ITC
c/ Cebrián, 3, 35003,
Las Palmas de Gran Canaria,
Gran Canaria,
SPAIN
Registration for the meeting:
Online registration
Deadline 18 February 2014
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Meeting starts: Tuesday, March 11th, 10:00
Item
/Decision
/resolutionpotentially required
/Content
/Related documents / comments / details
1 / Opening of the meeting (HD)Short welcome and some practical information by Gonzalo Piernavieja (Director - I+D+i / R&D&Innovation, ITC)
2 / Introduction of participants (All)
3 / x / Approval of the agenda (All)
4 / x / Comments to the minutes of the 15. meeting (HD / All) / N0227R0 pdf
5 / x / Date and place of next meeting(s) (HD)
- 17th meeting: October 7th 13:00 - 8th 14:00, 2014, Brussels, Belgium (+ CEN TC312 meeting(s) 9th October)
- 18th meeting: March 10th 13:00 - 11th 14:00, 2015, Wels, Austria
6 / No new equivalent absorber coatings (but the issue kept in the agenda as reminder for future meetings)
7 / No new equivalent glazing (but the issue kept in the agenda as reminder for future meetings)
8 / x / Discussion/approval on result presentation from testing of unglazed collectors in the Keymark datasheet./P. Kovacs
9 / Renewable Heat Incentive (RHI) scheme in Great Britain / Jacob Andresen
General outline / solar thermal and the RHI / RHI’s list of eligible products / RHI and Solar Keymark
10 / Status for incoming Solar Keymark fees 2014 /JEN
11 / x / Recommendation for SCF project applications (5th call) /HD / N02230R1 pdf + zip(applications)
12 / x / Election of industry representative for SCF steering group /HD
13 / x / Decision related to „Tendering processes for solar-thermal collectors and projects“/HD
The Solar Keymark Network recommends that the following aspects should be the legal basis for national and international tendering processes for solar-thermal projects:
- Only solar-thermal collectors certified by Solar Keymark or by other adequate certification schemes such as SRCC or AIPMO can be used. Handing in the corresponding certificates and data sheets shall be requested.
- As thermal performance criterion only the Calculated Annual Output (CAO) shall be used.
- This CAO has to be determined with the freely available Solar Keymark calculationtool “ScenoCalc” (
-reference location from ScenoCalc (Athens, Davos, Wurzburg or Stockholm) with the corresponding climate data and required average temperature level
Additionally a determination of the CAO can be requested for specific locations required in the same format. In this case also the
following parameters have to be specified in the call for tender
-climate data to be used
-collector orientation
-collector tilt
-required average temperature level
In case of collector types not applicable for the performance calculation with
ScenoCalc other appropriate thermal performance indicators can be used.
14 / x / Resolution related to „Changes of Solar Keymark data sheets due to ISO9806“/HD
The following changes on all newly issued Solar Keymark data sheets shall be performed as soon as the revised version of ISO 9806 comes into force and the transition period concerning the parallel use of EN 12975-2 is expired:
-The “aperturearea (Aa)” has to bedeleted
Note: Because the aperture area is not determined and used anymore.
-The line “collector efficiency parameters related to aperturearea (Aa)” has to be changed to “collector efficiency parameters related to gross area”.
All data sheets being part of a valid Solar Keymark certificate have to be changed to be conform with the revised version of ISO 9806 as soon as possible, but at latest until 31.12.2015.
Note: It is recommended to combine the update of the data sheet with the factory inspection.
15 / x / Resolution related to „Approval of ScEnOCalc updates by SKN“ / HD
Each new version of ScEnOCalc shall be approved by the SKN before it becomes official.
As a basis for this approval a document describing the major changes compared to previous approved versions as well as the validation performed with the latest version shall be provided.
16 / x / Resolution related to „Approval and exclusion of test labs by SKN“ / HD
Test labs performing test as a basis for Solar Keymark certification have to be empowered by the Solar Keymark network. Hence, the Solar Keymark network has also the power to exclude test labs for Solar Keymark certification.
All test labs listed on on 01.01.14 are considered as already empowered by the SKN.
17 / x / Improvements for organization and funding of SKN activities / J. Fernandez
-We have two ways of solving problems through working groups at SKN:
- Long term and medium term issues are dealt with by the SCF- this differentiates us a group from many companies that never have resources for long term issues. There is always room for improvement but it is a good method.
- Medium and Short term issues – these are being dealt with by existing working groups (CB or IB ) or by dynamic working groups that are created to solve each issue. Here we have a problem because this work receives no funding and in general we are all struggling to find time and also to justify spending this extra time to our superiors. The truth is that most working groups are being generated during the meetings and afterwards are not able to have get much work done. The strength of our system is the work elaborated in multi-cultural environment and it needs a little bit of a push.
-I believe we should find a way to help out the working groups with some small funding from SCF.
18 / x? / Transition from old EN 12975-1&2 to new EN 12975-1 and new ISO 9806
If a manufacturer wishes to use the tests done previously according to EN 12975-2 for a new certificate in compliance with EN ISO 9806, then the following activities must take place:
Sample taking for retesting of :
- Mechanical load tests
- Rain penetration test
- Impact test (in case it has not been done before)
- Mechanical load test
- Exposure test
- Thermal shock tests
- Impact test(in case it has been done before)
Calendar for adapting certificates to standards EN ISO 12975-1:2014 and EN ISO 9806:2013
During 2014 / Laboratories ask for change the scope of their accreditation to EN ISO 9806
Sample taking may take place during inspections for adaptation tests or for the whole set of tests according to EN ISO 9806
First semester 2014 / EN 12975-1:2014 to be published. Translation to other languages starts
First or second semester 2014 / 1 year transition period for CE Marking starts
Second semester 2014 / Translation of EN 12975-1:2014 to most languages should be finished. Adaptation of SKN Rules in October meeting. New data sheets.
Certification bodies ask for change of scope of accreditation according to new revision of EN 12975-1
During 2015 / Laboratories and Certification bodies should finish the adaptation process and have new scope of accreditation
Certificates according to EN 12975-1:2014 and EN ISO 9806:2013 may be granted
NB. New EN12975-1 rejected by CEN consultant.
19 / x? / PROPOSAL FOR RESOLUTION OF NEW VERSION OF ANNEX E AND ANNEX A / J. Fernandez
Proposal for Resolution is:
- New revision of ANNEX E
- New revision of annex A1( factoryinspection report + physical inspection report + sampling sheet)
- Change Annex A2 by withdrawing the physical inspection and leaving the procedure
Back in 2012 we started a working group to write the Annex E with requirements for Factory Production Control taking into account the future version of EN 12975-1 and also some improvements. We agreed at SKN for Annex E to be informative during 2013 and normative starting 2014. We have a SCF project (Henry Rosik, Stephan Fischer and Jaime Fernández) with the objective to check the result of these new requirements and adapt the inspection report which does not reflect the requirements of Annex E. Inspectors have given feedback by filling out questionnaires regarding requirements of Annex E.
The working group for global harmonization has held several web meetings and has agreed upon using Annex E and Annex A of the Keymark Rules after making some comments for improvement. On the web meeting held by the FPC Working group on 2014-02-28 all the information has been analyzed and proposals for resolution are made. During the meeting it was also proposed to hold an inspectors meeting in order to prepare a guideline for inspectors. This guideline would hold already existing documents
Therefore the following documentation is sent to the SKN meeting of March 2014:
- Survey for new Annex E requirements - 6 Questionnaires
- 2014-02-28 Review of Inspectionreport and Annex E – Minutes
- ANNEX A1 NEW INSPECTION REPORT (Factory inspection report + physical inspection report + sampling sheet)
- ANNEX E NEW REVISION
Comment by secretary: Specific proposal and final documents not delivered in due time. / N0234R0 pdf
N0235R0docxN0236R0docxN0237R0 pdfN0238R0 pdf
20 / Discussion on update of Annex G “Solar Keymark certificates and sub licences for other brands, product names and sellers” / PD
Working group: Pedo Dias (Chair), Sören Scholz, Jaime Fernandez Gonzalez-Granda, Ralf Köbbemann-Rengers, Allard Slomp, François-Xavier Ball, Hans Peter Weiss, João Santos, Jan Erik Nielsen / N02231R0ppt
21 / x? / Proposal for more specified requirements for changing the certification body
11. Changing certification bodies
Procedures for changing the certification body
- It shall be possible for a manufacturer to move with an original certificate to another certification body without re-testing and re-inspection
- The certification body that issued the original certificate has to be informed by the certificate holder about the cancellation of the certificate
- A copy of the notification of cancellation by the former certification body has to be provided to the “new” certification body before issuing the new certificate
- The test report(s) and the inspection report(s) have to be provided to the “new” certification body
- The test institute that issued the test reports has to be accepted by the “new” certification body before issuing the new certificate
- At least a new data sheet needs to be issued by the test institute stating the new certification body and registration No.
- Change of certification body and issuance of new certificate should be done within 3 months after the request.
- Old certificate shall be withdrawn when new one is issued
- These procedures apply to all OBL certificates linked to the original certificate
13.4 OBL certification
OBL certificates shall be issued by the certifier who issued the original certificate.
If the holder of the original certificate (manufacturer/OEM) wants to change the certification body, paragraph 11 applies.
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Comments from Ioannis Alexiou
"Why the new data sheet should be issued by the test institute, while the only it has to do is to change the name of the certification body"?
"So, why not a certification body to take the responsibility of producing the new data sheet just changing the name of certification body in the same form"?
"Also, what will happen if testing laboratories delay or refuse to issue a new form of data sheet and what will happen if the certificate transfer exceeds from time limit of 3 months"?
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Comment by secretary: Proposal not delivered in due time.
22 / x? / Proposal for „Selection and submission of samples in case of extension of product range by manufacturer“ proposed as paragraph 4.1.2 / S. Scholz
Comment by secretary: Proposal not delivered in due time. / N02232R0doc
23 / x? / Definition of classes and info material to manufacturers related to EN ISO 9806 /JEN (on behalf of P. Kovacs)
Dear colleagues,
I’m really sorry for not having finalized this work until now. In particular since it is now too late for decision making on this issue at the SKN meeting next week. Perhaps and hopefully you can still find a slot to discuss it and then maybe take a decision per correspondence later. We’ve had the document on a review round in the network and thus received three comments. Two of them, basically on the same topic, are remaining to be discussed and decided about:
From Harald:
The only critical point I see is the risk, that the climate classes displayed on the label might be mixed up by the end consumer with the classes of the energy label since this are also symbols such as B, A, A+ etc. What is your opinion on this?
If you also see it critical as well, a solution might be to use an other nomenclature, e.g. CB, CA etc.
From Andreas:
Concerning the classes for the easy things I would prefer to have numbers instead of A, B, C, D, A+ etc. I hate if there are A++ and A+++ later… For the end user it will be difficult to find out what it means to be in Hail resistance class B or Snow load C. Furthermore it will be easier to bring the things in line with national regulations if there are numbers and not letters. Furthermore we don’t have to maintain tables of correlation between numbers and letters. Reduce the option for confusion. Etc.
Proposal
Hail: Indicate Diameter in steps of 5mm (i.e. --, 5mm, 10mm, 15mm, etc )
Wind and snow loads in steps of 200 Pa (i.e. 2400, 2600, 2800, etc….)
I’ll now submit the SCF report and upload to the website.
Cheers and all the best for your meeting!!!
Peter
Comment by secretary: Proposal not delivered in due time / N02233R0docx
24 / Solar Certification Fund Projects – General Status Reports/PD / Document
25 / Global certification / JEN (short and informative – will be dealt with in detail in “global solar certification” meetings meetings just after the SKN meeting)
- “Umbrella Concept”/JEN
- Scheme rules /J. Fernandez/E.Prado
- Internal rules /HD
26 / Changes in SKN meetings regarding Global Certification /J. Fernandez
- As we create the new Global Certification Network and Scheme, we will find the need for changes within the SKN, or even inspiration for improvements as ideas pop up
- Weshouldconsider a way of having only 2 day meetings when we join the Global and KM meetings
- Weareworking on the idea of having certain working groups within the Global Network and could have mirrorgropus in SKN( QualityHarmonizationCommittee, laboratory working group)
27 / Example of a completely correct and “nice” Solar Keymark data sheet for solar collectors /Andreas Bohren
Working group: Andreas Bohren (Chair), Stephan Fischer, Uli Fritzsche, Sören Scholz, Danjana Theis,
JefProfke, Vinod Shama, Stefan Mehnert, Henry Rosik, Stamatios Babalis, Julien Heintz, Alberto Garcia, Franz Helmlinger, Jaime Fernandez Gonzalez-Granda, Carsten Lampe, Harald Dehner, Achim Sadenwater, Mark Witt, Malte Kottwitz and Jan Erik Nielsen / Document
28 / Presentation a new draft data sheets for EN 12977 series – for discussion/ JEN
Annex B2: System data sheet (EN12976 & EN 12977)
Annex B3: Store data sheet (EN 12977-3 & -4)
Annex B4: Controller data sheet ( EN 12977-5) / N0106_AnnexB2_R3.2-system-draftxlsx
SKN_N0106_AnnexB3_R0.2-store-draftxlsx
SKN_N0106_AnnexB4_R0.2-controller-draftxlsx
29 / Remarks on thermal performce test performed as basis for Solar Keymark Certificates / Fischer
SP SC1016-13 andICIM 121BN/0
30 / CE marking of collectors / S. Fischer?
-General update
-Use of existing Solar Keymark collector tests for CE-marking (CPR)
31 / Energy labelling / Gv Amerongen
-General update
-Use of existing Solar Keymark system tests for Energy labelling (EcoDesign)
32 / Current status on PVT testing and the outstanding work and open discussions /U.Fritzche
33 / Reporting from:
- “Certification Body Group” / Sören Scholz
- “Inspection Group” /Jaime Fernandez
34 / Information from CEN TC 312 / PanayisKonstantinidis?
35 / Information from CEN/CCB /H. Liauw?
Status for outsourcing the Keymark
Status for globalisation of Keymark
36 / Presentations of selected SCF project results /SCF project managers
-Project A /??
-Project B /??
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37 / Short presentation of the project: "Strengthening Quality Infrastructure for Solar Energy in Maghreb" / ImedLandoulsi
38 / Experience with misuse of Solar Keymark - exchange of information
Any other business
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Important/interesting national news/developments
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End of meeting /HD
Meeting ends Wednesday, March 12th, 13:00
Meeting duration
1st day: 10:00 – 17:30 = 7:30; 1 lunch break 1:00, one coffee break 0:30 effective meeting time 6:00
1st day: 08:00 – 13:00 = 5:00;two coffee breaksá 0:30 effective meeting time 4:00
6 + 4hours =10 hours = 600 minutes, 38 issues =>ca. 15minutesin average per issue
HD: Harald Drück, ITW, Stuttgart University, Chairman Solar Keymark Network,
JEN:Jan Erik Nielsen, Solarkey Int., ESTIF Technical Consultant, Technical Secretary of Solar Keymark Network,
PD:PD, ESTIF Deputy Secretary General, Administrative Secretary of Solar Keymark Network, pedro.dias(at)estif.org
Daily time schedule:
Tuesday 11th
SKN meeting 10:00 – 17:30
13:00 – 14:00 Lunch
15:30 – 16:00 Afternoon coffee
Wednesday 12th
SKN meeting 08:00 – 13:00
10:00 – 10:30 Morning coffee break
13:00 – 14:00 Lunch
Just after the SKN meeting there will be „global certification meetings“ – these meeting will be open for SKN members too – registration:
Online registration
Deadline 18 February 2014
(same link and registration form as for Solar Keymark meeting registration)
Wednesday 12th
Global Certification Network meeting: 14:00 – 18:00
15:30 – 16:00 Afternoon coffee
Thursday 13th
Global Certification Network meeting: 08:00 – 10:00
10:00 – 10:30 Morning coffee break
IEA-SHC Task 43 expert meeting: 10:30 – 17:00
13:00 – 14:00 Lunch